Well, I called it. I quit at the halfway point. This show just ... it's clearly not for me.
32X13 The Wedding of River Song (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS
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Well, I called it. I quit at the halfway point. This show just ... it's clearly not for me.
"There's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my name. There's only one time I could..."
And now we know that occasion is NOT an impromptu wedding.
And now we know that occasion is NOT an impromptu wedding.
I liked it. It wasn't as good as last year's finale, nor as good as much of this season, but it was a fun watch... and it dealt with the death thing as well as could be expected.
My biggest disappointment of the season was that we didn't get to see who Jim the fish was.
My biggest disappointment of the season was that we didn't get to see who Jim the fish was.
I'm a little bothered by the prophecy of the "fall of the eleventh," because I really want to see Smith's Doctor as developed by another showrunner, and if Moffat already has an ending in mind for the eleventh Doctor, then Matt Smith's Doctor is always going to be the timey-wimey one.
As for a regeneration happening in the 50th-anniversary special, I really hope not. That seems like a poor anniversary present.
My prediction for the answer to "Doctor Who?"
"Just the Doctor."
"Just the Doctor."
So, the season long death of the doctor arc comes to a close. You've tried your experiment Moffet, and the results were just a mess. This episode, like the whole season was just all over the place. We jump from one thing to another like mad, without any sense of where exactly we are are why things happen the way they do. The final solution to the death of the Doctor feels like a massive cop-out. But then again, of course the Doctor was never going to die. I mean, I still like this show. It's better than practically anything else on TV right now, but this whole season has just felt like a great big jumble to me. We've gotten some fantastic episodes like The Doctor's Wife, The Girl Who Waited, and The God Complex, but all of those episodes were episodes that did not deal with this arc. The arc episodes just left me scratching my head. They seemed afraid to actually tell the audience just what the hell is going on.
I'm hoping that next season we can go back to the fun Doctor Who, instead of the needlessly convoluted mega-story we got this year.
I'm hoping that next season we can go back to the fun Doctor Who, instead of the needlessly convoluted mega-story we got this year.
Well, no, Lake Silencio happened just as it was supposed to. The fixed point was the shooting, not the Doctor's death. The fixed point was people believing he was dead.
Anyway, I enjoyed the episode. It was good fun. That's all I really ask. Moffat wants to leave a little more for next season, so I'm guessing the arc will be resolved then. I'm not necessarily one who wants everything resolved quickly, since I'm usually in it for the ride. Anyway, I look forward to the fields of Trenzalore. Part of me thinks this might be a bit meta. It's certainly the oldest question asked on the show.
Why does everyone automatically assume that "the fall of the 11th" absolutely MUST mean "the 11th Doctor" without any consideration that it might be a red herring, like it's really the "11th Brigade" or something.
^^ I especially LOVED that part about the question...I giggled like a school girl after smacking myself in the head. Hidden in plain sight indeed. Am I the only one still who is deluded enough to think Omega is still returning? I ask in all seriousness since there hasn't been much discussion. I still think the Brotherhood and the Order of Silence are serving him...even if they don't know it. Too many clues.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Why did that random Bolian know about the "question" when the robot police and The Doctor didn't? And why is everyone talking like the old man in Zelda?
There is:
Guaranteed to make you want to knock the glasses off anyone who uses it.
So this is the end of River, right? We won't be subjected to her any more? It's just, didn't she know his name in Library Capers (and how can shadows eat people, where does the displaced matter go?) and that looked like where he told her except he didn't. I really don't want River again. Or any arc-based bollocks really, but especially not her. She's not likeable or interesting. So you know she was Time Lord because Amy and Rory had sexual intercourse in the Tardis? Does that mean a job with a turkey baster round the back of the time rotor would do the same? Because the Doctor could open an infertility clinic in there and start the race up again. You get Rory to fill some jars and get some broody women in. They can't all end up smug loathsome cunts like Calamity Song.
I'll tell you something else that annoyed me. The Doctor managed to overpower and capture a Dalek somehow offscreen. It's not inconceiveable, but like in The Abomination where he blows up all those Cybusships, he does something fantastically difficult magically offscreen because he's the Doctor. And wasn't the magic floaty shark in A Christmas Cunt beaten offscreen? Fookin' cheating that is.
So now that we've had this episode, can we go back to the Doctor Who were it was the Doctor and his companions going on adventures and having a good time?
I'm all for Arc based stories, but if anyone were to ask me what this season was about and to explain this "arc" I think I would have a hard time. Heck, I even got criticized last week for wanting the old guy Deleware to come back so if that's the case, imagine trying to explain everything else.
I liked the episode and the questions it answered (Which the episode did a capable job of doing) but I'm just befuddled by the whole thing and afraid to even ask questions. Everything just felt so convoluted and messy, and much like the season itself, Chaotic. I mentioned when the back half of the season started that I was hoping we didn't have this much Chaos and going back more to the character driven stories, and with the good episodes this season (The God Complex), I actually felt we got that. With the arc episodes this season, we got the Chaos which wasn't alright. I'm all for a whacky good time just like the next guy, but when everything is whacky and crazy and you have children watching this show with parents (And let's not kid ourselves, Doctor Who is a show that the whole family should enjoy) I do wonder if the ratings are going to suffer because of this.
I will finish by asking one question and probably my main problem with the episode, and I'm sorry if it's a stupid (Did you watch the show) kind of question but here goes. Who was Madame Kovorian? She was set up as the big bad this entire season, yet in this episode she was in handcuffs with the Eye patch electrocuting her and what exactly was her deal. In A Good Man Goes to War, she seemed to be the leader of the Silence, or just the leader out to stop the Doctor but in this episode, she was almost too cartoony, so who is she? What was her deal and when I'm talking to a friend about this season and bring up her character, what should I say?
I'm all for Arc based stories, but if anyone were to ask me what this season was about and to explain this "arc" I think I would have a hard time. Heck, I even got criticized last week for wanting the old guy Deleware to come back so if that's the case, imagine trying to explain everything else.
I liked the episode and the questions it answered (Which the episode did a capable job of doing) but I'm just befuddled by the whole thing and afraid to even ask questions. Everything just felt so convoluted and messy, and much like the season itself, Chaotic. I mentioned when the back half of the season started that I was hoping we didn't have this much Chaos and going back more to the character driven stories, and with the good episodes this season (The God Complex), I actually felt we got that. With the arc episodes this season, we got the Chaos which wasn't alright. I'm all for a whacky good time just like the next guy, but when everything is whacky and crazy and you have children watching this show with parents (And let's not kid ourselves, Doctor Who is a show that the whole family should enjoy) I do wonder if the ratings are going to suffer because of this.
I will finish by asking one question and probably my main problem with the episode, and I'm sorry if it's a stupid (Did you watch the show) kind of question but here goes. Who was Madame Kovorian? She was set up as the big bad this entire season, yet in this episode she was in handcuffs with the Eye patch electrocuting her and what exactly was her deal. In A Good Man Goes to War, she seemed to be the leader of the Silence, or just the leader out to stop the Doctor but in this episode, she was almost too cartoony, so who is she? What was her deal and when I'm talking to a friend about this season and bring up her character, what should I say?
Here's one thing that bothers me. Ok, yes, Nicholas Courtney passed away, and they wanted to pay tribute, but the scene doesn't quite have the emotional resonance that it should for one simple reason: The Doctor has a time machine. He has been millions of years before the Brig was even born and millions of years after he has died. The Doctor called after the Brig died? Oh whoops, well lets pop back a few years and he'll be just fine and they can sit around and chat or what have you. The fact that the Brig is dead when the Doctor calls should mean absolutely nothing to him, as it's not like he can't go see him whenever he wants (in universe at least.)
Except to me it looked like the Doctor was having a very hard time fighting back tears when he heard the news and when Dorian asked him what was wrong, he refused to answer. That scene was emotional enough.
Presumably he couldn't go back and visit the Brig after getting the telephone call for the same reason he couldn't go back and visit Reinette after getting her last letter: Because by learning that the Brig had never seen him again, he became part of the sequence of events and had to stay constant relative to them. He collapsed the wave-function and couldn't mess with it now.
In other words, had he not called them up and been told that he had never visited the Brig, he could have visited him, because lack-of-visits weren't an established part of the Brig's timeline. But once the call was made, lack-of-visits became an established part of the Brig's timeline.
Now, the Doctor has re-written established events before, but he's always been very clear that that's because his Vast And Terrible Time Brain can tell him when that's safe to do. Presumably, his time spidey sense was telling him he couldn't re-write the Brig's last few years without hurting time even more.
All of which combines to create the same effect as if anyone else were to get the call that an old friend is dead.
^ Is there a need to put that all in caps lock?
I thought about that but he's not much of a Time LORD if he can't figure out to hang up the phone before someone destroys his chance with Schrodinger's cat. Besides with the ending of this episode you'd figure he could still have visited him and told him to keep telling the nurse to leave a brandy for him and "Time" would be satisfied.
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