SW blu-rays have changes to the films again

[Candlelight]

1) Downloading torrents of the film is illegal. It's also against board rules to discuss it.

Murky grey area...

FanEdit.Org's policy is you can download it providing you have a paid copy of the film first AND provided the file being downloaded IS an "authenticated" fan edit.

I don't know which counties support this, or if they have to be standard definition only etc, however.

(Should a Mod feel this is too close to the board's general file sharing ban then I won't mention this stuff again)

 

[Mach5]

FanEdit.Org's policy is you can download it providing you have a paid copy of the film first AND provided the file being downloaded IS an "authenticated" fan edit.

Yeah, but since they have no means of enforcing that, meaning these files are available to everyone, not just to the original disc owners, I don't see how that can be considered not illegal.

However, the studios obviously don't care enough to take any action against the site...

 

[Turtletrekker]

If no money exchanges hands for the fan-edit, then no crime has been commited. That's how the makers of Trek fan-films get away with what they do.

 

[Yoda]

I got a chuckle out of the Blu-ray funeral pyre. Why do people spend the cash on these movies anyway? To be entertained. If anything burning that pile of monkey poo to entertain people on YouTube is a selfless act compared to the 'greed' involved in just buying it for yourself. HOW MANY STARVING CHILDREN COULD GEORGE LUCAS HAVE SAVED IF HE DIDN'T WASTE MONEY ON CGI EWOK EYES?!?!1!1?

Of course "That money could've been donated to the Red Cross" is one of those all-time ridiculous arguments that probably isn't even worth addressing.

If you are going to download illegal copies than fine. No one is stopping you. But don't go around posting/bragging about it. It just makes you look bad.

I still don't see how fan edits are anything to cry over... I mean, we're not even talking about pirating the new Blu-rays. Who is bragging anyway? It makes you look bad? Seriously? I think complaining about fan edits makes you look bad, so maybe you should stop posting about it...

 

[Dream]

If no money exchanges hands for the fan-edit, then no crime has been commited. That's how the makers of Trek fan-films get away with what they do.

Fan edits are pretty much the exact same movie as the offical versoion but with a few changes. People that make copies of movies that they didn't create in the first place and give them to other people are call bootleggers. What they are doing is illegal. It doesn't matter if they give out their edits for free.

Download it or not. Whatever. But it is ridicious to argue that it is in any way legal. As the copyright owner, Lucas would have every right to shut them down if he wanted to in the future.

 

[Dream]

I still don't see how fan edits are anything to cry over... I mean, we're not even talking about pirating the new Blu-rays. Who is bragging anyway? It makes you look bad? Seriously? I think complaining about fan edits makes you look bad, so maybe you should stop posting about it...

I can't believe you didn't think Stig was bragging.

"I found the movies online and illegally downloaded them. THEY ARE AWESOME! Everyone check them out! Also Star Wars is popular so should be free!"


That last line is a big WTF right there.

Lucas put every ounce of blood, sweat, and tears he had into making ANH, a movie that almost everyone thought would be a failure. Dude almost had a heart attack while making it! Each of the sequels were made with his own money.

Yeah, Lucas deserves every cent he can get.

 

[Turtletrekker]

If no money exchanges hands for the fan-edit, then no crime has been commited. That's how the makers of Trek fan-films get away with what they do.

Fan edits are pretty much the exact same movie as the offical versoion but with a few changes. People that make copies of movies that they didn't create in the first place and give them to other people are call bootleggers. What they are doing is illegal. It doesn't matter if they give out their edits for free.

Download it or not. Whatever. But it is ridicious to argue that it is in any way legal. As the copyright owner, Lucas would have every right to shut them down if he wanted to in the future.

I didn't say it was legal (or even right). I said it wasn't illegal. What specific crime can be charged if no money exchanges hands? Probably none worth the hassle or the bad rap the press and fans would surely give Lucas for it.

The makers of the Star Trek fan-film Of Gods And Men have "sold" thousands of DVDs of their impressive, yet wholly unofficial movie under the guise of "giving it away free" by making any purchase in their on-line store. They got away with it, and continue to get away with it, because no money is actually exchanging hands for the movie itself.

 

[Yoda]

I think these things still qualify as perhaps 'illegal', but not 'criminal'.

And sure, Lucas is entitled to every cent he can make off of Star Wars. But he's done getting money from me. I might download a fan edit at some point. I won't download a straight Blu-ray rip, and I sure as hell won't be spending any more money on the movies. I guess he can get some $$$ if they make a decent Star Wars video game, but that's about it.

 

[Dream]

The makers of the Star Trek fan-film Of Gods And Men have "sold" thousands of DVDs of their impressive, yet wholly unofficial movie under the guise of "giving it away free" by making any purchase in their on-line store. They got away with it, and continue to get away with it, because no money is actually exchanging hands for the movie itself.

What's important is that they don't actually offer the movie for sale. In the end they also are supporting Paramount with their store since Trek items are being sold.

I just checked and that all three ACTS of the movie can watched on their official website for free right now. I think some fans just wanted to support the site or hope to see more episodes so they made a purchase.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I think these things still qualify as perhaps 'illegal', but not 'criminal'.

That might be an important distinction to make, thank you Yoda. It still comes down to what, if any, charges can be filed against against the practice. At worst, a cease and desist is filed against them. Again, would it be worth the bad rap the press and fans would give Lucas for it? For something ithat is, in the big picture, a little on the inconsequential side? Any dent an on-line fan edit would make on potential DVD or Blu-Ray sales would be miniscule at best. Especially for someone in Lucas' league. Seriously, there is already too much Lucas hate out there for him to do that.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

And sure, Lucas is entitled to every cent he can make off of Star Wars. But he's done getting money from me.

Here too. I'm obviously in the minority, but I get more enjoyment off of discussing the movies with other people than actually watching them. I saw the originals enough times as a kid, and if I ever get the urge to see them again my local library has all six movies on DVD.

 

[TheBrew]

I got a chuckle out of the Blu-ray funeral pyre....

Really? I figured that it wouldn't have been hot enough for you.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

I got a chuckle out of the Blu-ray funeral pyre....

Really? I figured that it wouldn't have been hot enough for you.

There should have been dynamite involved.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Someone should burn that YouTube video. Something tells me that guy has no ethical problems with stealing Star Wars; At least Blu-rays anyway.

 

[Guartho]

Really? What tells you that? How do you know he didn't spend $90 on the set in the hopes of earning $200 from his YouTube ad sharing agreement?

 

[Set Harth]

I guess he was lying.

I have no idea. I haven't seen his reviews, but I'm prepared to take him at his word when he calls himself confused. But this is just more strawmanning: now all prequel critics are automatically lying. What purpose is there in denying the simple reality that some prequel critics tell the truth or make accurate claims while others do not? What is this all-or-nothing scheme intended to accomplish?

I did look up a few pages from the document in question on other web forums, and like others have said, it either misses the point, misinterprets a joke, or is a difference of opinion.

I'm not talking about jokes. Or differences of opinion between Stoklasa and Raynor. I'm mostly referring to claims made about TPM which can be found to be factually inaccurate by checking the films, but there are a few other issues, such as Stoklasa's positions sometimes being inconsistent with one another and his tendency to insist that Jedi characters should behave in a way inconsistent with the Lucas/OT characterization of the Jedi.

Maybe I'll read the rest some day, but unless the pages I didn't read somehow redefine the laws of the universe or completely rewrite the prequels, I highly doubt it will change my opinion of these movies or RLM's review.

We call that "confirmation bias".

 

[EnsignRicky]

Really? What tells you that? How do you know he didn't spend $90 on the set in the hopes of earning $200 from his YouTube ad sharing agreement?

It's certainly possible, but it just seem more likely that someone who works or knows someone who works in a Wal-mart or something pilfered it from the stock room.
It just seems more probable than someone being so pointlessly stupid as to go through the trouble and expense involved in legitimately pulling such a lame stunt.
Then again he could have just burned an empty box. That I can get behind; That packaging is for shit.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

What is this all-or-nothing scheme intended to accomplish?

Probably something similar to this all-or-nothing scheme:

Someone already did, and it only got him ridiculed. Because there's a canonic law on the Internet forbidding ANY kind of defense of the prequels.

You are setting yourself up as the victim here and Raynor as the perfect martyr who, as another person said, proved that "99% of RLM's video was b.s."

I'm not talking about jokes. Or differences of opinion between Stoklasa and Raynor. I'm mostly referring to claims made about TPM which can be found to be factually inaccurate by checking the films

Well, now how about we have some examples? The only thing I saw Raynor accomplish is that you can make assumptions about what is happening based on a limited amount of knowledge given but that isn't something fans should have to do.

Like I said, quite anything from the RLM review where he clearly lies about the content of the movie, and I will agree with you that there are instances where he lied.

but there are a few other issues, such as Stoklasa's positions sometimes being inconsistent with one another and his tendency to insist that Jedi characters should behave in a way inconsistent with the Lucas/OT characterization of the Jedi.

Such as? Suggesting Qui Gonn steal parts for the ship from Watto instead of cheating on a bet?

We call that "confirmation bias".

Bull.

It would be confirmation bias if I refused to read anything pro-PT.

Refusing to spend an hour reading a 108-page fanboy rant after failing to be impressed with the 2-3 pages I did read is called having better things to do.

 

[Set Harth]

Someone already did, and it only got him ridiculed. Because there's a canonic law on the Internet forbidding ANY kind of defense of the prequels.

You are setting yourself up as the victim here and Raynor as the perfect martyr who, as another person said, proved that "99% of RLM's video was b.s."

First, I didn't write that. Someone else did, so it's not an example of me "setting myself up as" anything. Second, it's only your assumption that that quote by another poster has anything to do with me. So to answer my earlier rhetorical question about all-or-nothing schemes, you act as if all prequel critics are equivalent in order to provide a smoke screen for the ones that screw up and defeat the concept of individual accountability.

It would be confirmation bias if I refused to read anything pro-PT.

That's the idea.

Suggesting Qui Gonn steal parts for the ship from Watto instead of cheating on a bet?

Stoklasa was clearly joking. Every time he screwed up, in fact.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

So to answer my earlier rhetorical question about all-or-nothing schemes, you act as if all prequel critics are equivalent in order to provide a smoke screen for the ones that screw up and defeat the concept of individual accountability.

Except you are refusing to provide proof of such screw ups. Thus this is a pointless discussion.

It would be confirmation bias if I refused to read anything pro-PT.

That's the idea.

Except I read countless pro-PT threads here and at other web forums. I sought out and read posts from Raynor, and several pages of his document. I simply refuse to read the thing in it's entirety.

Stoklasa was clearly joking. Every time he screwed up, in fact.

Uh huh. Doesn't answer my question.