TNG-R, Which model will they use?

[sojourner]

As you may have heard, TNG is getting the remastered treatment like TOS was given. All new VFX to go with the Hi-def. So will they base the CGI Ent-D on the 6 foot model or the 4 footer? Also, do you think they will include many new ship designs, maybe replacing some of the over used Excelsior and Grissom models?

 

[MadMan1701A]

Really? I thought the last thing out there was that it was some kind of Up-Rez thing. A total re-master would be fantastic, though.

 

[B.J.]

I don't see why they wouldn't go with the model that was created for TATV. IIRC, it was based on scans of the 4-footer, but had elements of both. I think Drexler's used it for the SOTL calendar a few times as well.

As for the other ships, I wouldn't mind if they replaced some of the instances, just not all of them. Many of them they can't replace unless they replace some of the on-screen Okudagrams as well.

 

[Dac]

I know for a fact it's not Gabe's. Tobias Richter's, while seemingly perfect was probably made a little too late in the production process? Hmm, I guess they could have rendered 10 or 12 random flyby shots any any other FX shots needed in the past month, but it seems a little rushed if it is Tobias'.

Personally, I think they would have made their own, in house.

OH, You mean't 4 footer or 6? Well, I'd base it on the 6 because its the original shape the creators intended and it looks the best. Slap some extra detail on it, yes, but keep the grace of the 6 footer definitely.

 

[sojourner]

Really? I thought the last thing out there was that it was some kind of Up-Rez thing. A total re-master would be fantastic, though.

It won't be uprez as they have the original negatives. Latest I have read is it will be a mix of old VFX and new VFX with the new stuff concentrating on fixing what was done at the video tape level of editing.

I personally hope they replace the 4 footer with a CGI 6 footer with added detail.

 

[Kaiser]

I also cant wait to see the new or replaced ships but im just a tad angry if i want to watch this TNG-R i have to buy a new player cus i dont have a Blue-Ray or HD DVD player

 

[sojourner]

What do you mean Hd-dvd? That format is dead. You won't be able to buy TNG-r in it.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

The TATV model was perfectly acceptable, as long as they turn off the damn saucer impulse engines. I *liked* spending seven years wondering why they never lit them up under normal circumstances, dangit!

Still, that model is now, what - seven years old? They'd probably need to spruce it up some if they want to do some real closeup work (i.e. borg slicing parts of it off, Q standing on the aft hull outside, etc.) or for whatever current software they're using for it. I'm sure the TATV model could stand 720p work, but 1080p?

And I know it's been discussed already, but whatever model they use or create for it, I hope they include a manual to tell the actual animators in no uncertain terms where the phaser beams are supposed to come from!

Mark

 

[Captain Robert April]

Where has anyone said anything about redoing the effects?

 

[sojourner]

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=147424

 

[Kaiser]

What do you mean Hd-dvd? That format is dead. You won't be able to buy TNG-r in it.

ahh ok well still sux i have to buy a Blue Ray player

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

What do you mean Hd-dvd? That format is dead. You won't be able to buy TNG-r in it.

I was gonna say, if Kaiser doesn't have either type of machine, it may follow that he doesn't keep up on the information of which format "won".

And Kaiser, you definitely want to upgrade to a blu-ray player, even if you don't want to replace a lot of your DVD's. Huge improvement when you do see a blu-ray disc.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

All of the model photography for the space shots in "Encounter At Farpoint" was shot on film. There is no reason for Paramount to spend money or resources on recreating those elements with new CG in order to produce an HD version of the episode.

Most model photography for the series continued to be shot on film for some time.

 

[Kaiser]

What do you mean Hd-dvd? That format is dead. You won't be able to buy TNG-r in it.

I was gonna say, if Kaiser doesn't have either type of machine, it may follow that he doesn't keep up on the information of which format "won".

And Kaiser, you definitely want to upgrade to a blu-ray player, even if you don't want to replace a lot of your DVD's. Huge improvement when you do see a blu-ray disc.

i dont have either cus since June of this year i've been unemployed and dont want to spend alot of $ on one

 

[Captain Robert April]

All of the model photography for the space shots in "Encounter At Farpoint" was shot on film. There is no reason for Paramount to spend money or resources on recreating those elements with new CG in order to produce an HD version of the episode.

Most model photography for the series continued to be shot on film for some time.

For your consideration:

From THE SPECIAL EFFECTS OF STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION:

Star Trek: The Next Generation does all of its visual effects on video tape, unlike the original series which posted on film. The reasoning behind that decision is that "Peter Lauritson, Bob Justman, and Rick Berman thought that (video tape effects) would be faster," states Robert Legato, Visual Effects Supervisor. "Bob Justman worked on the original show and they had a lot of problems with delivering on film." Legato explains that, "You have a built-in turn-around with the lab. You would do one shot and then have to wait for the next day to see it. If it was wrong, then you would have to wait a whole day to see it again., They said, you have to come up with a faster system. Tape was available. They didn't know much about it, but they knew THAT was the way to do it." And, "the way" was to go with The Post Group.

Now, if the individual elements are on film, well, fine and dandy, but if they only exist on videotape, they're only good as a reference for the poor shmuck who has to redo the shot in CGI.

 

[sojourner]

^I don't think that quote affects what Dennis said.

Either way, some of the effects in Encounter at Farpoint could use updating, most notably the "Space net" Q uses to block the Enterprise.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

What do you mean Hd-dvd? That format is dead. You won't be able to buy TNG-r in it.

I was gonna say, if Kaiser doesn't have either type of machine, it may follow that he doesn't keep up on the information of which format "won".

And Kaiser, you definitely want to upgrade to a blu-ray player, even if you don't want to replace a lot of your DVD's. Huge improvement when you do see a blu-ray disc.

i dont have either cus since June of this year i've been unemployed and dont want to spend alot of $ on one

Totally understandable. I was way behind on the blu-ray thing too, but was glad I waited till the battle had been won.

I know some people who went HD-DVD big time and got screwed.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

^I don't think that quote affects what Dennis said.

Not surprisingly, it does not and is beside the point.

The spaceship elements (and that includes the space jellyfish) were shot on film. Compositing was done on video. As long as the original photography of the ships exists, there is no reason to spend time and money recreating those images with CG spacecraft.

Elements like phasers, most planet surfaces, transporters and Q's "space net" were video-created, many of them using a Quantel Harry. Assuming that the elements were rendered at standard resolution, the studio would probably want to create new versions of them.

As far as I know, photography of spacecraft continued to be done on 35 mm film for the first several years of the show. Models were often enhanced with video-generated elements; the plague ship in "Haven," for instance, combines a model shot on film with a globular engine "field" created on video.

 

[Kaiser]

Well i think i'll wait to All 7 seasons are done and see screenshots of any new or replaced ships before i decide to buy these Blu-ray discs

 

[Tiberius]

The spaceship elements (and that includes the space jellyfish) were shot on film. Compositing was done on video. As long as the original photography of the ships exists, there is no reason to spend time and money recreating those images with CG spacecraft.

It does mean that someone has to go back and find the originals and then re composite the individual passes together again to provide the complete shots.

And even then, there weren't really that many shots. How many times did we see the Enterprise fly up from the bottom left corner of the screen? Or fly past the right hand side of the camera.

Going back to CGI will give them the opportunity to create a whole new variety of angles and shots, as well as provide shots that never would have been possible with models.

And given the huge differences between the 6 and 4 foot models (such as the fact that the six footer is smooth as an android's bottom and the 4 footer is bumpier than a Klingon's forehead, of the fact that the rim on the saucer is one deck high on the 6 footer, but two decks high on the 4), going back and doing everything with CGI will give them a chance to make things consistent.

And it will also give them a chance to use interactive lighting, so a phaser beam or photo torpedo will shine light onto the hull.