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Terra Nova 1x01&02 - Genesis Parts 1&2 (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS

Grade Genesis Parts 1 and 2

  • Excellent! - Dino-riffic!

    Votes: 11 8.5%
  • Above Average - Hey, this is pretty good!

    Votes: 54 41.9%
  • Average - Well it's an ok start, will see what happens.

    Votes: 42 32.6%
  • Below Average - Braga..shakes head and moves on..

    Votes: 16 12.4%
  • Poor - Dino-Crap

    Votes: 6 4.7%

  • Total voters
    129
I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes another one-season show like all the other high concept Lost clones that came before.

This show is expensive as hell and the ratings are going to drop more in the upcoming weeks. Not looking good.

Although I agree with you, there is room for optimism when seeing that the ratings stayed steady and actually improved slightly in the 2nd hour. The ratings for next week's episode will be interesting.

If the show stays at or around the current ratings it may last the season (or a shortened season), but I think it'll be a one and done like say Earth2 on NBC so many years ago (also for Spielberg)

I'm sure FOX is crunching the numbers and saying "Hey we can produce 20 episodes of Are you Smart than a 3rd grader? for around $500,000... " Which is about 5 minutes of one episode of this show.
 
Have they ever sold a single season boxset of are you smarter than a 3rd grader?

Though they could retool Terra Nova into a game show.

Are you smarter than a dinosaur?

And if you are not? Then the Dinosaur eats you.
 
Average.

Pretty much what I expected. You can see the money they spent onscreen and it's impressive to see any TV series with aesthetics that are within spitting distance of a big-budget movie, but...

The characters, wow, dull. I'm sure it's possible to write a family-oriented show with family members who are memorable and vivid. Spielberg's other show, Falling Skies, managed that. Both series have many very parallel characters.

The love-interest doctor in Falling Skies (played by Moon Bloodgood) really comes to life as an individual character. (I suspect Bloodgood is just a much better actor.) Jason O'Mara held his own in the lead role, but his character simply isn't under the same stress as Noah Wylie's character, who as a history professor is much more out of place in a physically dangerous situation and therefore more inherently sympathetic.

Both families have three children, but the three sons of Falling Skies are not nearly as dopey and annoying as the Terra Nova kids, especially that jerk-ass eldest son, ergh. Both the actors playing the son and eldest daughter are just bad and painful to watch; same is true for the teen actors overall. Steven Lang has a lot of potential as the is-he-good-or-not? wild card, parallel to Will Patton's character. Just as Patton veered towards good, I think Lang's going to veer bad, and that will be fun to watch anyway. His showdown with the dino was a good sign of future entertaining badassery.

I figured the dino shock-factor would wear off w/n the first few weeks, but I found myself actually getting bored of them last night. Bad sign, since that leaves only Lang's antics and the mystery plotline to hold my interest. So that mystery better be a Brontosaurus-sized shocker. How about an intelligent dinosaur civilization just over the next mountain range? Maybe that's how Lang survived "on his own" in the jungle for so long. Since this is a different timeline, it's also a different Earth, and there's no reason to believe this Earth's past is exactly parallel to our own.
And finally, I have to ask, was it necessary to make this time travel to an alternate timestream of Earth?
Or just colonize Mars. They can make a time machine but they can't colonize Mars? ;) Or how about using their technological prowess to salvage Earth?

But I got the impression the "time rift" was some sort of accident, rather than a reflection of their superduper advanced technology.

I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes another one-season show like all the other high concept Lost clones that came before.

This show is expensive as hell and the ratings are going to drop more in the upcoming weeks. Not looking good.

I wonder if there will ever be another Sci Fi show on network television that can top LOST.

9M viewers would be a good number with comfortable padding for a second-week drop - on cable. Falling Skies was a big hit with 6-7M viewers on TNT, but it's very obvious that the budget was significantly smaller. That, plus getting subscription revenues in addition to ad revenues, makes sci fi a viable genre for cable, but for broadcast, maybe it just doesn't work anymore.

If Terra Nova got a big premiere sampling and then fell off a cliff the second week, I could blame the dull characters, but they didn't even get the sampling level they should have. The whole point of doing a glitzy time travel show with dinos is to grab a lot of attention the first week in anticipation of the inevitable second week drop off.

This may simply be further confirmation that all sci fi shows belong on cable now. With those ratings, even holding constant probably can't justify the budget. They'll have to start ratcheting back on the dino's, but with the characters as the weak link, they can't afford to scale back the eye candy. I think the writing is on the wall.

I think Lost was just a complete outlier and will never be imitated. I still vividly remember how individual and intriguing the characters all were, after the first two-hour premiere. Very big contrast to Terra Nova, where only O'Mara, Lang and Christine Adams, who plays Mira, are of that kind of attention-grabbing caliber.

It may be time for network TV to give up on sci fi entirely. Cede the field to cable and stick to cop shows. However, I'll stick with this for the duration. And who knows, it might survive for a while, because international ratings are going to be a big factor with a series like this.
 
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I hope the pilot wasn't the best they have to offer.
Way too much cookie-cutter crap. Hell, nowadays even goddamn procedurals about police families contain pseudo-mystery "conspiracies". Well, maybe they just wanted to get the worst clichés out of the as soon as possible.
 
It's worth remembering that Fringe's ratings went up from week 1 to week 2. Then bounced around a little before ending season 1 slightly higher than the premiere. If Terra Nova has a similar jump up then there is a decent shot at a second season. If it has a more typical drop for week 2, then we could be looking at one and done.
 
Game of Thrones' ratings also went up, as worth of mouth about it spread. I think it's safe to say that this show will not benefit from word of mouth. It's far more the established pattern for ratings for any show to drop over time, and the big drop usually happens the second week.
 
I haven't read the thread yet, but here are my quick thoughts after watching this off my DVR:

Overall... B- (I liked it, not super impressed)

The first hour was pretty bad/bland. Especially the 1st 15 minutes before stepping through - ugh. BUT the second hour was far better - several interesting ideas and backstory elements set into motion.

Bad stuff:
- Ugh, 15 minute prologue added NOTHING
- Too much family angst (hopefully mostly resolved)
- Too much teenage angst, but the teenage characters improved during the 2nd hour

Good stuff:
- That they cleared up the timeline question
- Like the 3 main leads (leader, husband, wife - don't know their names yet)
- Mystery about the rock carvings (earlier colony attempt?, portal time glitches?)
- Multiple groups with different goals
- Interesting backstory about the early colony

I'll definitely keep watching (for now).
 
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We won't tell you that because it isn't. :rommie: Spielberg doesn't have to rip off anyone but himself to do a dino show.
Not that far off. It's like someone hacked scripts of Jurassic Park and Earth 2 to pieces and glued a random selection together again.
But there are also some parts which are more or less lifted straight from Smurfahonta...Avatar.
 
I'm going for the Avatar option, myself. I think Stephen Lang survived 118 days (or whatever) in the jungle because he discovered a civilization of intelligent dinosaurs living in the trees and, being very pacifistic and enlightened intelligent dinosaurs, they protected and fed him. Big blue lizards instead of big blue cats, but same idea.

His grand plan is to wipe out the dino-Na'vi because he's a gigantic douchebag, clearing the way for widespread human colonization of Earth Two. Mira and the Sixers are not evil; they discovered this sinister plan and are trying to thwart it. Mira = Sigourney Weaver.

I hope they don't cancel the show before we start to find out something good. I could see this one getting the axe mid-season.
 
The Time Tunnel they were using was reminiscent of the Time Tunnel from The 60s show the Time Tunnel.

Different timestreams my ass.

Everytime they send a pilgramage back, the future changes or a divergent timestream is created. many alternate timelines are sharing a common history.

Besides in 60 million years there's going to be a meteor strike that's going to launch a billon billion billion tonnes of topsoil into space, who's to say that th reason they couldn't find that probe is because it's part of the sun now?
 
Besides in 60 million years there's going to be a meteor strike that's going to launch a billon billion billion tonnes of topsoil into space, who's to say that th reason they couldn't find that probe is because it's part of the sun now?
Didn't they say something along the lines of 85 million years? That would mean they have about 20 million years until the Yucatan impact.
 
In 20 million years, they can invent a way to deflect the asteroid! :D

And everyone should keep in mind that a different timestream means that the past, as well as the future, is not necessarily identical to Earth's. That dinosaur-killing asteroid might never arrive because an advanced civilization millions of light years away corralled it to use its iron in an interstellar war that never happened in our own timeline.
 
My two cents on the pilot: I thought the FX were very good, but the characters were too bland. I wish they had done something different, shook it up a little. Let the husband be the brain and his wife the brawn or something. No bratty teenage melodrama. Or something. I thought the most interesting characters are Taylor and Mira. Everyone else was pretty much a cipher.

The first half dragged, but the second half was much better. I liked those slashers.
 
Not that far off. It's like someone hacked scripts of Jurassic Park and Earth 2 to pieces and glued a random selection together again.
But there are also some parts which are more or less lifted straight from Smurfahonta...Avatar.

Yeah it does have a lot of those same elements, but I still thought they did a decent job melding them all together into something that felt fairly fresh and new.

It's just the characters that need some more work (obviously).
 
I must agree with the consensus of blandness-- which comes as no shock.

The opening sequence was terrible. Yet another future where everything is all dirty and steamy like a factory basement. Where does all that steam come from? And we're supposed to be sympathetic to these people in an overpopulated, dystopian future who just decided that they are better than everyone else and can have an extra kid and then do a piss poor job of hiding her when the reproduction police come and then attack the reproduction police when they find her? And what were those cops going to do anyway? It seems like they just left them alone after that. The mother didn't seem to get into any trouble. And then to further impress us, the main character breaks out of prison despite being unquestionably guilty and goes into the fresh air and sunlight of the past, committing another crime in the process. And none of this nonsense had any relevance whatsoever to the plot; apparently the only reason for it was to alienate the viewer from the main characters. :rommie:

And the main characters are boring family show cliches.

Not much happened in the rest of the show, interesting or otherwise. Kids sneak out and get in trouble with dinosaurs. Great. The Sixers could become interesting and there is potential in the hieroglyphics, but we'll see. Of all the characters that were introduced, pretty much the only one that had any interesting characteristics was Boss Man.

The dinosaurs were pretty cool, though, especially the sauropods.
 
I hope TV slow down with the hightly serialized format bandwagon. I much prefer a more episodic format with one complete but original story every week like X-files, Star Trek TNG (although serialized TV shows DVD are fun sometimes as well as the more episodic one). Obviously since some people must like those highly serialized show, I don't want them to go completely (and DVDs are ok sometimes).

People don't feel like being invested in TV shows and non-real characters week after week. Sometimes we are busy with something else and don't fell like dvring or don't have the time for it. Sure even the most episodic TV shows beside anthology got some character and story arcs, but there's no reason to go over the board with it.

The incredible success of TV shows like NCIS, The Mentalist, Criminal Minds and other crime drama are all example of what format people like. Now it's all about making those weekly story interesting with great characters, good writing and a little bit of arcs that doesn't interfere with the understanding of an episode (feel lost like we missed some important episode). Bottom line people watch episodic TV format much more. We're talking 10-18 millions a week here. It's not even in the same league. Wake up TV producers!!!!
 
And everyone should keep in mind that a different timestream means that the past, as well as the future, is not necessarily identical to Earth's. That dinosaur-killing asteroid might never arrive because an advanced civilization millions of light years away corralled it to use its iron in an interstellar war that never happened in our own timeline.

The impression I got was that the difference between timestreams was only very slight. This is still the same basic Earth, but the time fracture caused a rupture of some kind that shifted things in a slightly different direction.
 
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