The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[Tomalak]

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!

It's mirrored, not backwards. It's not like it matters!

 

[mswood]

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!

When they say TNG looks like an eighties show, it might be (for me at least and even the directors and producers of Trek have stated this), TNG started with a still of filming and editing and pacing of shots that is very mid eighties. And with the exception of a couple of directors stuck to that style. That style lasted with Trek through most of Voyager. It wasn't really until Braga took more control of VOY and ENT that directing, pacing and editing of the shows tried to play catch up to the rest of primetime. I say tried, because it never truely did catch up.

For any faults Braga has as a producer he is easily the most visually inspired producer Trek has had.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!

Could a mod turn that image into a link? It's stretching the heck out of the page.

 

[inflatabledalek]

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Um....the ship is backwards.

It might be a mockup, since the ship looks a lot lower quality than everything else.

yeah, my guess is it's a placeholder and the final cover will have the CGI ship on it.

 

[Trek Survivor]

Re: Cover art for STNG-R sampler!!

Fantastic. This might finally compel me to buy a blu-ray player (or at least beg The Wife for one in time for Christmas)

 

[RAMA]

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When they say TNG looks like an eighties show, it might be (for me at least and even the directors and producers of Trek have stated this), TNG started with a still of filming and editing and pacing of shots that is very mid eighties. And with the exception of a couple of directors stuck to that style. That style lasted with Trek through most of Voyager. It wasn't really until Braga took more control of VOY and ENT that directing, pacing and editing of the shows tried to play catch up to the rest of primetime. I say tried, because it never truely did catch up.

For any faults Braga has as a producer he is easily the most visually inspired producer Trek has had.

I dont think the style of tv changed till the 2000s, the 90s were pretty much like the 80s in terms of style and pacing.

 

[RAMA]

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The Bluray packaging looks very classy, I like it.

I caught 'Manhunt' last week. My friend and I immediately remarked how 80s it was. That's inevitable really, programmes look their age. Already something like 24 is looking curiously early-2000s. But anything you can do to remove potential barriers - such as presenting in 16:9 and HD - probably won't hurt.

Why do people say that?? Except for a few odds and ends scattered through the early years, the show has such a different setting that I feel it's almost timeless, much more so than the 60s era TOS. I think this is borne out through the poll I posted from the ST.com site where the majority of fans thought STNG aged the best of all ST series.

RAMA

You have to take polls with a grain of salt, espically online polls as people have made a conscious decision to vote, rather than being asked in the street by a pollister. Also TNG was the more popular of the recent ST shows, so a larger audiance can skew the result.

And if you're watching it on a HD TV, is it a LCD, Plasma or LED, as each has advantages, I've watched some of the recent Trek shows on my LED TV, and some of the TNG episodes don't look that great.

Well they were asked to vote...on the main ST site. Yes, online polls are not "scientific" but they can be used as a guage, and STNG overwhelmingly came out on top in the poll. In this it's the fans I want to hear from, not non-fans.

I'm a little disappointing on how Trekmovie is handling this. There's little to no information. Maybe it's because there's not much to report but...come on...update! They still have TOS remastered and the '09 movie tabs up there.

It almost seems as if the technology sites are more interested than the ST news sites! You can find thread after thread on DVD forums talking about it.

I almost think TrekMovie was given an inside scoop/blu ray preview, and they're sitting on stories until the official announcement in exchange for the early information.

Why do people say that?? Except for a few odds and ends scattered through the early years, the show has such a different setting that I feel it's almost timeless, much more so than the 60s era TOS. I think this is borne out through the poll I posted from the ST.com site where the majority of fans thought STNG aged the best of all ST series.

RAMA

You have to take polls with a grain of salt, espically online polls as people have made a conscious decision to vote, rather than being asked in the street by a pollister. Also TNG was the more popular of the recent ST shows, so a larger audiance can skew the result.

And if you're watching it on a HD TV, is it a LCD, Plasma or LED, as each has advantages, I've watched some of the recent Trek shows on my LED TV, and some of the TNG episodes don't look that great.

Sorry, there is no such thing as an LED TV. The closest would be an OLED TV, which I'm 99% sure you don't have. What you have is an LED back lit LCD. And even that can vary between side lit and a grid with local dimming. But in the end, the are all still LCD variants. The only thing that changed is the light source.

I'm sure he means LED back lit, which is what I just bought...it had the best picture of the 25 or so TVs on display.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

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Um....the ship is backwards.

It might be a mockup, since the ship looks a lot lower quality than everything else.

yeah, my guess is it's a placeholder and the final cover will have the CGI ship on it.

Don't think so, but maybe this is a European market mock up.

 

[RAMA]

Re: Cover art for STNG-R sampler!!

Fantastic. This might finally compel me to buy a blu-ray player (or at least beg The Wife for one in time for Christmas)

I bought one for TOS-R...in 2010...I'm ready to go!!

 

[Sho]

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Random thought: If CBS Digital really wants to troll the internet, they could release a promo clip of "The Most Toys" in which Fajo actually shoots at Data before he's getting beamed out, and then make millions off of selling "Data shot first!" apparel.

 

[Holdfast]

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oops someone beat me to it

No worries; I just merged the threads together.

Could a mod turn that image into a link? It's stretching the heck out of the page.

Done.

If anyone wants to repost it as an inline image, they're very welcome to. Just resize it so it doesn't break the thread.

Art looks pretty much what you'd expect (mirroring issue aside). It keeps some "genetic" legacy to the rest of the TNG sets and looks good too. Nice job.

 

[Squiggy]

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!

It's magic I tells ya.

 

[Holdfast]

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!

Just like Q snapping his fingers...

 

[RAMA]

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Just like Q snapping his fingers...

Thanks Holdfast

Digital Bits picks up the story:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

 

[mswood]

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!

When they say TNG looks like an eighties show, it might be (for me at least and even the directors and producers of Trek have stated this), TNG started with a still of filming and editing and pacing of shots that is very mid eighties. And with the exception of a couple of directors stuck to that style. That style lasted with Trek through most of Voyager. It wasn't really until Braga took more control of VOY and ENT that directing, pacing and editing of the shows tried to play catch up to the rest of primetime. I say tried, because it never truely did catch up.

For any faults Braga has as a producer he is easily the most visually inspired producer Trek has had.

I dont think the style of tv changed till the 2000s, the 90s were pretty much like the 80s in terms of style and pacing.

You can see several shows in the 90's that adapted to a more theatrical filming style. It wasn't as wide spread. But it was there. Piller even talks about it when he did Legend in the 90's. How he crafted shows in a very Trek style, and how it didn't play as the visual medium had drastically changed.

When you saw shows in 2000 on CBS that were shoot more modern you knew you had fallen way the hell behind the times.

 

[RAMA]

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!

When they say TNG looks like an eighties show, it might be (for me at least and even the directors and producers of Trek have stated this), TNG started with a still of filming and editing and pacing of shots that is very mid eighties. And with the exception of a couple of directors stuck to that style. That style lasted with Trek through most of Voyager. It wasn't really until Braga took more control of VOY and ENT that directing, pacing and editing of the shows tried to play catch up to the rest of primetime. I say tried, because it never truely did catch up.

For any faults Braga has as a producer he is easily the most visually inspired producer Trek has had.

I dont think the style of tv changed till the 2000s, the 90s were pretty much like the 80s in terms of style and pacing.

You can see several shows in the 90's that adapted to a more theatrical filming style. It wasn't as wide spread. But it was there. Piller even talks about it when he did Legend in the 90's. How he crafted shows in a very Trek style, and how it didn't play as the visual medium had drastically changed.

When you saw shows in 2000 on CBS that were shoot more modern you knew you had fallen way the hell behind the times.

They weren't very common or consistently so...in the 2000s, quicker cuts and other changes became the norm for dramas...but while it works ok for movies, it doesnt work as well for Star Trek...where the budget often goes to making convincing sets for things that just don't exist...and those sets become like a theater stage...they have to film on them a lot. Now I do feel a new series will adopt some methods of the "new" drama, but don't be surprised if a lot of it is still like 80-90s trek.

 

[Trek Survivor]

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!

When they say TNG looks like an eighties show, it might be (for me at least and even the directors and producers of Trek have stated this), TNG started with a still of filming and editing and pacing of shots that is very mid eighties. And with the exception of a couple of directors stuck to that style. That style lasted with Trek through most of Voyager. It wasn't really until Braga took more control of VOY and ENT that directing, pacing and editing of the shows tried to play catch up to the rest of primetime. I say tried, because it never truely did catch up.

For any faults Braga has as a producer he is easily the most visually inspired producer Trek has had.

I dont think the style of tv changed till the 2000s, the 90s were pretty much like the 80s in terms of style and pacing.

I have to disagree. I'll give ya two letters -

E.R.

Premiered in 1994. Whether you like the show or not, its style was incredibly innovative (and influential e.g. 24, and a whole host of other US shows). A world away from the 1980s.

Michael Piller tried to bring serialisation and ongoing plot threads to Voyager (the Kazon traitor subplot) - another increasingly used device of episodic tele - but was shut down by Jeri Taylor.

 

[Tomalak]

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I dont think the style of tv changed till the 2000s, the 90s were pretty much like the 80s in terms of style and pacing.

You can see several shows in the 90's that adapted to a more theatrical filming style. It wasn't as wide spread. But it was there. Piller even talks about it when he did Legend in the 90's. How he crafted shows in a very Trek style, and how it didn't play as the visual medium had drastically changed.

When you saw shows in 2000 on CBS that were shoot more modern you knew you had fallen way the hell behind the times.

They weren't very common or consistently so...in the 2000s, quicker cuts and other changes became the norm for dramas...but while it works ok for movies, it doesnt work as well for Star Trek...where the budget often goes to making convincing sets for things that just don't exist...and those sets become like a theater stage...they have to film on them a lot. Now I do feel a new series will adopt some methods of the "new" drama, but don't be surprised if a lot of it is still like 80-90s trek.

Check out the early episodes of TNG. Chances are there will be several scenes where the characters line up in front of the camera and talk across each other in a totally unnatural way. It's theatrical, and easy to shoot because the director didn't have the time/money/inclination to shoot everything twice using over the shoulder reaction shots.

 

[MacLeod]

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I'm a little disappointing on how Trekmovie is handling this. There's little to no information. Maybe it's because there's not much to report but...come on...update! They still have TOS remastered and the '09 movie tabs up there.

It almost seems as if the technology sites are more interested than the ST news sites! You can find thread after thread on DVD forums talking about it.

I almost think TrekMovie was given an inside scoop/blu ray preview, and they're sitting on stories until the official announcement in exchange for the early information.

Why do people say that?? Except for a few odds and ends scattered through the early years, the show has such a different setting that I feel it's almost timeless, much more so than the 60s era TOS. I think this is borne out through the poll I posted from the ST.com site where the majority of fans thought STNG aged the best of all ST series.

RAMA

You have to take polls with a grain of salt, espically online polls as people have made a conscious decision to vote, rather than being asked in the street by a pollister. Also TNG was the more popular of the recent ST shows, so a larger audiance can skew the result.

And if you're watching it on a HD TV, is it a LCD, Plasma or LED, as each has advantages, I've watched some of the recent Trek shows on my LED TV, and some of the TNG episodes don't look that great.

Sorry, there is no such thing as an LED TV. The closest would be an OLED TV, which I'm 99% sure you don't have. What you have is an LED back lit LCD. And even that can vary between side lit and a grid with local dimming. But in the end, the are all still LCD variants. The only thing that changed is the light source.

I'm fully aware that LED TV's are back/side lit LCD's. However LED lit TV's have higher contrast ratios.

 

[Eddie Roth]

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I dont think the style of tv changed till the 2000s, the 90s were pretty much like the 80s in terms of style and pacing.

I have to disagree. I'll give ya two letters -

E.R.

You beat me to it. They popularized a style of storytelling and visual look that is influential to this very day. TV became a lot more dynamic and fast-paced due to shows like ER.