Leave DS9 to the new characters and let the rest of them get on with their lives. Besides, Kira is still on Bajor. It's not like she won't be around. If tehy brought everyone back it would feel like a Brady reunion movie or one of the TNG movies where Worf just happened to be there.
Another Lit Wish List Thread
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[1]Yes, anything with Garak.
[2]More of Rugel's story.
[3]What's Kes up to now?
[4]Janeway moving on - does she go to the Q academy to learn how to live her new life? Does she get some powers to enable her to live a new life. What are the constraints of a rescued human in that situation?
[5]More fill-in stories like Never ending sacrifice, Singular destiny and the Worlds of DS9 books which so richly brought each world to life and expanded on their problems and issues.
[6]AND PLEASE COMPLETE THE ASCENDANTS STORY ARC!!!
Just because Lady Q rescued Janeway, that doesn't mean she was going to become a Q. If you rescued an injured bird, you wouldn't adopt it, send it to school, and expect it to become a productive member of society.
And actually Lady Q didn't so much rescue Janeway as preserve her consciousness and guide it into whatever comes after death (not unlike what the entity from "Coda" attempted to do, albeit less malevolently). So "new life" is rather a misnomer.
Yeah, but if you're not going to actually have any of the TV characters on the station then you might as well just end the series. Now, I have no problem with bringing in new characters after the TV characters leave, I love Shar and Prynn, and T'Rys and Jasminder just as much as any of the TV characters, but IMO you still need at least some of the TV character for it to still be that series. And if you want to spin the TV characters off into their own series, I don't have problem with that, but then end the parent series.
Re Exploring other galaxies with slipstream drive :
I don't know - it's been years since I read it.
Was that a reference to Hunters squadron or a Mandala Flynn thing ?
I may have to reread that.
I don't know - it's been years since I read it.
Was that a reference to Hunters squadron or a Mandala Flynn thing ?
I may have to reread that.
The references to extragalactic ships (called, ironically, Galaxy-class ships) came from Vonda N. McIntyre's The Entropy Effect and TWOK novelization. I don't remember if Dreadnought! made an allusion to that, but I doubt it, and even if it did, it's not where the concept originated.
I had a look, and I think I got a bit confused. Dreadnought! opens with Lt. Piper having her assignment changed from Captain Flynn's Galaxy-class (fandom's old name for the Miranda-class, IIRC) USS Magellan to the Enterprise after her Kobayashi Maru test, but, unless I missed it, I can't find any mention of an extra-galactic mission.
If anyone knows what book I'm thinking of, I'd much appreciate enlightenment.
EDIT: Missed Christopher's post. Checking The Entropy Effect.
Found it! It's the Search For Spock novelization - Kirk gets a message that the Magellan is doing close-range observation of a supernova in the Andromeda galaxy.
No, fandom's name for the Miranda was the Avenger class (a name I always hated since it's too warlike for Starfleet, so I was glad when canon supplanted it with a Shakespeare reference). As I said, it was Vonda McIntyre who first used "Galaxy Class" in her novels.
Yet Enterprise doesn't bother you? Lexington? Hood? Yamato? Surely I'm not the only one who thinks that the Sovereign class was named after the HMS Royal Sovereign? Starfleet has a tradition of taking its names from Earth's navies. Avenger was, in my opinion, right in line with the early-80s perception of Star Trek.
^ i know i read on Ex Astris Scientia a lot of folks he knew assumed the class ship of the Enterprise-E's class was USS Royal Sovereign. i didn't, because i absolutely HATE the cultural clash of USS and Royal. it should just be USS Sovereign.
'Cos after all, Starfleet shouldn't do things like mix diverse cultures or anything.
So that's the Miranda the class is named for. I always wondered where that came from.
Either that, or the writer who coined the name had recently been arrested and read his Miranda rights.
But would we have heard about it if they had the right to remain silent?
Christopher wrote:
Just because Lady Q rescued Janeway, that doesn't mean she was going to become a Q. If you rescued an injured bird, you wouldn't adopt it, send it to school, and expect it to become a productive member of society.
And actually Lady Q didn't so much rescue Janeway as preserve her consciousness and guide it into whatever comes after death (not unlike what the entity from "Coda" attempted to do, albeit less malevolently). So "new life" is rather a misnomer.
My reply:
Hmmm. Seems my inadequate prose have let me down again.
I wasn’t suggesting that Janeway went off to become a Q, simply that with her reprieve from death and with the new existence that she would then have (due to Qs interest in her), that she would need to learn some new life-skills. The Q university seemed just the place and I thought a book relating her adventures after she had been taken onward (whether in the QU or not) would be a good story – lots of potential.
Kes coming to her, for example, and becoming her teacher. A nice juxtaposition from their early days together on voyager.
I’ve re-read the piece where the Female Q comes for Janeway and the inference is definitely that she is being rescued from death and her consciousness is being taken on to a new start.
Why would she be given a helping hand to go somewhere she was just about to go to?
If she was about to die, then she would have needed no help to move on. Everyone manages it after all without a Q popping up to ‘help’.
So what’s the verdict people?
Did Janeway die or has she been given a new beginning in a non-corporeal form like Kes? Or some other form, even?
Just because Lady Q rescued Janeway, that doesn't mean she was going to become a Q. If you rescued an injured bird, you wouldn't adopt it, send it to school, and expect it to become a productive member of society.
And actually Lady Q didn't so much rescue Janeway as preserve her consciousness and guide it into whatever comes after death (not unlike what the entity from "Coda" attempted to do, albeit less malevolently). So "new life" is rather a misnomer.
My reply:
Hmmm. Seems my inadequate prose have let me down again.
I wasn’t suggesting that Janeway went off to become a Q, simply that with her reprieve from death and with the new existence that she would then have (due to Qs interest in her), that she would need to learn some new life-skills. The Q university seemed just the place and I thought a book relating her adventures after she had been taken onward (whether in the QU or not) would be a good story – lots of potential.
Kes coming to her, for example, and becoming her teacher. A nice juxtaposition from their early days together on voyager.
I’ve re-read the piece where the Female Q comes for Janeway and the inference is definitely that she is being rescued from death and her consciousness is being taken on to a new start.
Why would she be given a helping hand to go somewhere she was just about to go to?
If she was about to die, then she would have needed no help to move on. Everyone manages it after all without a Q popping up to ‘help’.
So what’s the verdict people?
Did Janeway die or has she been given a new beginning in a non-corporeal form like Kes? Or some other form, even?
Well, it's named either for Prospero's daughter from The Tempest or for the moon of Uranus which is named for Prospero's daughter.
Janeway's physical death is indisputable. The atoms of her body were disintegrated. Lady Q preserved her consciousness and prepared her for the transition to something else, something that might not be anything like a human existence.
That presupposes that there is a natural afterlife, something that isn't known to be the case in the Trek universe (or the real one). It could be that consciousness normally ceases to exist unless some entity like a Q or the predator from "Coda" intervenes to preserve it, or unless it's stored in another mind like Spock's katra or preserved in an artificial containment unit like the globes in "Return to Tomorrow." Indeed, "Return" did suggest that the consciousnesses of Sargon and the others simply dissipated in the absence of containment.
It could also be named after a number of 16th- and 17-th-century Spanish painters, such as Juan Carreno de Miranda or Pedro Rodridguez de Miranda. You're positing an Anglocentric rationale which isn't necessarily true.
According to Memory Alpha, from the ST Encyclopedia, it is named for Prospero's daughter.
According to the Encyclopedia, the class was "named for Prospero's daughter, a character in William Shakespeare's last play, The Tempest."
Star Trek is made by Americans and therefore Anglocentric, or Americentric.
