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January Jones gives birth to baby boy, but who is the daddy?

RoJoHen said:
Just for the sake of participating in this ludicrous thread, January Jones' baby is, in fact, a bastard...if we go by the old timey definition of the word. I don't know why we need to do that, though; that definition is pretty archaic and has an incredibly negative connotation in this day and age. While you are technically correct, Checkmate, we still need to allow for the evolution of language. Word meanings change over time.

Of course, this is all operating on the assumption that January Jones is unmarried. Maybe she has a secret husband that she doesn't want anyone to know about.
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It is thoroughly possible. It seems she doesn't want anyone to know that part of her personal life, and there is precedent for celebrities to make a cover story about their personal lives as to ward off muckrakers. She could be married to someone who is not in the limelight and wishes to stay that way. She could be single. She could be divorced twice over. We simply don't know, nor is it our right to know, and quite frankly, none of our damned business if that's the way these people want it.
 
My only opinion of January Jones is that I think she should seriously reconsider her career path...or go back to acting school.
 
What's wrong with her career path? She's on an Emmy winning cable show and appeared in a critically acclaimed, yet mediocre draw at the Box Office blockbuster that was X-Men First Class. Sure her actual acting ability is suspect, but I think her career path is doing just fine.
 
My parents did not marry when I was born, and subsequently ended their relationship when I was 3 months old. I was raised by my mother, who did not choose to remarry. I consistently got good grades in school, attended a university on scholarship, and have served as a Congressional intern. I am currently living in Washington, D.C., and starting my career as a young professional. By contrast, I can think of several families from my home town whose parents were married and never divorced yet whose children were constant sources of conflict, doing poorly in school and disrupting their classmates. Those children later did not receive a postsecondary education and assumed low-paying, menial jobs.

Tell me, Checkmate, am I a "bastard child" as well? Was there something wrong or immoral with the way in which may parents chose to raise me? Is my mother a bad or less worthy person for her choices? If so, it is because their choices have had profoundly negative consequences of some sort of which I am unaware?
 
Yes, you are most definitely a bastard.
No, that has no bearing on anything else whatsoever. It's just a characteristic of who you are.

It's absolutely amazing how difficult a concept this is for most of you.
 
Checkmate said:
Yes, you are most definitely a bastard.
No, that has no bearing on anything else whatsoever. It's just a characteristic of who you are.

It's absolutely amazing how difficult a concept this is for most of you.
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I think the problem most of us have is this:

Bastard is not an objective term. Bastardry was a concept developed with the explicit intent of stigmatizing people who weren't born to married parents, in order to literally de-legitimize them and their rights. Bastard may have an objective meaning, but so does the n-word, or the f-word. But the fact that a word has an objective meaning -- "someone born to unmarried parents;" "someone of African ancestry;" "someone who is LGBT" -- does not make it a morally neutral word.

Bastard, like the n-word and like the f-word, is not a simple descriptor. It is not an unobjectionable term used in a completely neutral context. It is a weapon. It is used for one reason only: To hurt other people in order to legitimize oppression.

I am the son of unmarried parents, but I'm no one's bastard.
 
Checkmate said:
Yes, you are most definitely a bastard.
No, that has no bearing on anything else whatsoever. It's just a characteristic of who you are.

It's absolutely amazing how difficult a concept this is for most of you.
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Oh, the concept isn't difficult. The usage, however, is noted because in modern culture it's a hyperbolic epithet. That may not seem like much to you, but next time someone asks you how you're feeling, tell them you feel wonderfully gay, see the reaction you get.

Words change meaning over time. The term "bastard" has become a slur, and it wasn't a particularly pleasant word in it's origins, where it was used during the pre-Renaissance era to describe the illegitimate offspring of women who had a reputation for being the village "go to" girl.

So even as you seem to be trying to justify your classic usage of the term, you're still using it as an epithet. Also, what Sci said.
 
People's sensibilities are sometimes funny. I mean, some day "Trekkie" and "Trekker" will be considered a weapon to hurt people in order to legitimize oppression.
 
JarodRussell said:
People's sensibilities are sometimes funny. I mean, some day "Trekkie" and "Trekker" will be considered a weapon to hurt people in order to legitimize oppression.
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"Trekkie" doesn't have it's origins in shame, unlike the word "bastard" which was an immediate indictment against a child and it's mother. These words do not appear nor operate in a vacuum.
 
Checkmate said:
Yes, you are most definitely a bastard.
No, that has no bearing on anything else whatsoever. It's just a characteristic of who you are.

It's absolutely amazing how difficult a concept this is for most of you.
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So according to your logic I can ask a woman about her cunt and she shouldn't get offended because, hey, cunt really just means vagina. Sure, it's looked at as an insult and is used mostly by that but since the dictionary says it's also a term for the vagina it's a-okay to use.

You're not going to make many friends with that attitude.
 
sidious618 said:
Checkmate said:
Yes, you are most definitely a bastard.
No, that has no bearing on anything else whatsoever. It's just a characteristic of who you are.

It's absolutely amazing how difficult a concept this is for most of you.
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So according to your logic I can ask a woman about her cunt and she shouldn't get offended because, hey, cunt really just means vagina. Sure, it's looked at as an insult and is used mostly by that but since the dictionary says it's also a term for the vagina it's a-okay to use.

You're not going to make many friends with that attitude.
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I've only seen her in Love Actually and thought she was pretty saucy in it.

Other than that I haven't seen her do anything. Don't watch Mad Men.

Congrats for her baby, respect her privacy, etc.
 
She's great in Mad Men, no doubt about it. I think it's a combo of an excellent script and excellent direction 'cause she's not lighting up the screen in anything else.
 
Maybe. It's possible.

Or it could be that she understands the character she is playing and is a good actress who can play a part.

Really, this thread has just been completely disgusting. A woman has become a mother and all the scandal hounds are sniffing around trying to add a little vicarious lasciviousness to their lives and when they can't they just fall back on name-calling and judgmental horseshit.

Some of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
 
Hey, I saw, like, two episodes of Mad Men and the entirety of X-Men: First Class. Clearly, she owes me to reveal everything about her personal life!
 
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