Wieners NY seat goes to GOP - foreshadow for 2012?

[Amaris]

But most of the Republican candidates this time around are simply too terrifying to contemplate in the White House. I don't know what's wrong with that party, but we simply don't dare give them control until they've gotten their own radical elements back under the rug.

Romney is tolerable. And if he's the least bit the Mitt Romney he was as governor of MA we'd be hard pressed to find substantial differences between Romney and Obama today.

No, really he's not. Here's his record:
http://www.ontheissues.org/mitt_romney.htm

*He's pro-life to the point where he'd like to see Roe v. Wade repealed.

*He's firmly against gay marriage.

*He believes corporations are people.

*He continues to support the No Child Left Behind Act.

That's not "tolerable".

 

[ichab]

It continues to amaze me how much Dems use the tired argument of how this president can't get anything done because of congress. Neither Reagan nor Clinton had as much wind at their backs and partisan support in congress as Obama had yet both were able to pass most of what they wanted. Based on Obama's recent poll numbers, it's obvious the american people aren't buying that line of bullshit either.

 

[ichab]

But most of the Republican candidates this time around are simply too terrifying to contemplate in the White House. I don't know what's wrong with that party, but we simply don't dare give them control until they've gotten their own radical elements back under the rug.

Romney is tolerable. And if he's the least bit the Mitt Romney he was as governor of MA we'd be hard pressed to find substantial differences between Romney and Obama today.

No, really he's not. Here's his record:
http://www.ontheissues.org/mitt_romney.htm

*He's pro-life to the point where he'd like to see Roe v. Wade repealed.

Most of the country is pro-life.

*He's firmly against gay marriage.

So is Hillary Clinton and many other democrats.

*He believes corporations are people.

They are. Who do you think works at corporations?

*He continues to support the No Child Left Behind Act.

When the dems come up with a solution to education that doesn't involve padding the teacher's union, give me a call.

That's not "tolerable".

It's much more tolerable than the boob we have sitting in that white house right now.

 

[Squiggy]

Obama has said it's his responsibility time and time again. Just where are you getting your news from?

Yes, yes. I've heard the mea culpa's. Just the other night on the NBC nightly news in an interview with Brian Williams he told us what bad luck he's had. cry, cry, Life's tough.'

Here's some of what I'm talking about...since you apparently aren't willing to listen to things that don't already conform on your preconceived notions on the world around you.

They are. Who do you think works at corporations?

Does make prisons prisoners or schools students? No. That would be fucking stupid.

Words have meanings. We aren't atoms because we're made of of atoms.

 

[Trekker4747]

Yes. Republicans will capture 100% of the House, every open Senate seat, and Michelle Bachmann will win the Presidency.

Then, the world will implode right on schedule in December.

You know, now that you say iit....

 

[RJDiogenes]

Wait, what? Obama hasn't repaired eight years of economic devastation after two years in office? Damn it. I think I'll vote for the people who caused the problem to begin with.

 

[1001001]

Obama has said it's his responsibility time and time again. Just where are you getting your news from?

Yes, yes. I've heard the mea culpa's. Just the other night on the NBC nightly news in an interview with Brian Williams he told us what bad luck he's had. cry, cry, Life's tough.'

Here's some of what I'm talking about...since you apparently aren't willing to listen to things that don't already conform on your preconceived notions on the world around you.

They are. Who do you think works at corporations?

Does make prisons prisoners or schools students? No. That would be fucking stupid.

Words have meanings. We aren't atoms because we're made of of atoms.

Exactly.

The American people have been flipped over and done dry by large corporations and the politicians who carry their mail.

Seriously, we sit here today while the Tea Baggers and their Flat-Earther ilk defend the "rights" of their corporate masters. You know, the right not to pay taxes, the right to buy elections, the right to pollute the water and the air. The right to have CEO's make more than all their employees combined (you know, those little people who do the actual work?). The right to ignore government regulation but then demand government bailouts because they are "too big to fail."

Now? The GOP's solution is more breaks for business, while balancing the budget on the backs of the poor, the sick, the elderly. It disgusts me.

If Obama's done anything wrong, it's that he was so naive he really believed his own rhetoric about bipartisanship. The GOP has no interest in working with you, Mr. President. They never did.

This is why I originally voted for Hillary Clinton. Should would have given as good as she got.

 

[thumbtack]

The current administration has spent only a pitance of our money compared to the wild, uncontained, drunken (literally) spending of the previous one. I'm just sick to death of borrow and spend republicans.

Borrow and spend.
Borrow and spend.
Borrow and spend.

Who needs it?

 

[Trekker4747]

Wait, what? Obama hasn't repaired eight years of economic devastation after two years in office? Damn it. I think I'll vote for the people who caused the problem to begin with.

Pretty much how I see it. The economy is a lot like a Jenga tower takes a long time to set-up and pulling out the wrong brick causes the whole thing to crash down.

I still see this as being mostly Bush's economy though Obama is slowly making it his own. It's probably a shared economy right now. But he, nor anyone else, wasn't going to fix this mess inside of one term.

At the very least you can look at the fact that unemployment didn't get greatly worse and that the DOW has made a decent rebound.

CEOs and billionaires all over the country are getting large, healthy, bonuses. So I think the problem with jobs lies somewhere else.

 

[sidious618]

The current round of GOP hooligans are doing their best to make sure that Obama gets another term as president so, no, this isn't foreshadowing of 2012.

 

[Trekker4747]

Michelle Bachmann, Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Frothy poo guy?

Yeah, I think Obama is safe.

 

[Amaris]

Most of the country is pro-life.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147734/americans-split-along-pro-choice-pro-life-lines.aspx

*He's firmly against gay marriage.

So is Hillary Clinton and many other democrats.

Indeed, but she (and the other dems) is/(are) not running for the Presidency. When she did, I still voted for Obama. See how that works?

*He believes corporations are people.

They are. Who do you think works at corporations?

People work in corporations, but a corporation is not a person. If you feel they are, then anytime someone dies from the results of corporate negligence, you agree that the corporation will be held responsible as a person. Unless, of course, you just want corporations to have the benefits of personhood without any of the responsibilities. So yes to voting, yes to certain rights only available to people, but no to repercussions that a person would face when committing a crime.

I mean, if someone commits fraud, they get arrested, fined,
imprisoned. When it happens to a corporation, only the person responsible is arrested and imprisoned. This isn't acceptable for a person, unless one wants to arrest the cells responsible for the fraud.

Of course, what this really is, is a backdoor into campaign finance, bigger voting rights as a corporation, and a balance of power in favor of the corporate loving GOP.

When the dems come up with a solution to education that doesn't involve padding the teacher's union, give me a call.

So go with a failed system that operates worse than the previous one? That's absurd.

It's much more tolerable than the boob we have sitting in that white house right now.

1] Obama's not a boob. He's likely smarter and more informed than you are, to be quite blunt.

2] No, he really isn't. He may be the best selection in a bunch of shitty candidates, but he's not a better choice than the current sitting President, and in 2012, that will be shown again. Whether that shows Obama is highly capable, or that he's simply the better choice out of a list of mediocre choices doesn't matter at that point.

 

[ichab]

Indeed, but she (and the other dems) is/(are) not running for the Presidency. When she did, I still voted for Obama. See how that works?

So how did it work in 2004 and 2000?

People work in corporations, but a corporation is not a person. If you feel they are, then anytime someone dies from the results of corporate negligence, you agree that the corporation will be held responsible as a person. Unless, of course, you just want corporations to have the benefits of personhood without any of the responsibilities. So yes to voting, yes to certain rights only available to people, but no to repercussions that a person would face when committing a crime.

I mean, if someone commits fraud, they get arrested, fined,
imprisoned. When it happens to a corporation, only the person responsible is arrested and imprisoned. This isn't acceptable for a person, unless one wants to arrest the cells responsible for the fraud.

Of course, what this really is, is a backdoor into campaign finance, bigger voting rights as a corporation, and a balance of power in favor of the corporate loving GOP.

No, what this was really all about is democrats making a big stink about nothing because bashing corporations has always been a talking point of theirs and Romney has the best chance of beating Obama.

So go with a failed system that operates worse than the previous one? That's absurd.

No Child Left Behind was a bipartisan solution to an already failed system. In case you forgot, Ted Kennedy helped write it. It isn't perfect, but it does a much better job of holding failing schools accountable and not just passing through students who can't read. I don't know how anyone who claims to care about kids and public schools can say things were better before No Child Left Behind.

1] Obama's not a boob. He's likely smarter and more informed than you are, to be quite blunt.

He's the President of the United States so I certainly hope so. If he's not more smart and informed than Mr. Anonymous from the internet then that would explain a lot.

2] No, he really isn't. He may be the best selection in a bunch of shitty candidates, but he's not a better choice than the current sitting President, and in 2012, that will be shown again.

Whether that shows Obama is highly capable, or that he's simply the better choice out of a list of mediocre choices doesn't matter at that point.

I guess you're trying to say that Obama will be the best choice in the general. If that is the case we will have to wait and see. We don't really know a lot about the candidates and the campaigns are just really getting started. One thing that is for sure, NO president since FDR has won re-election during a bad economy and Obama is no FDR(though he did try his best by following the flawed Keynesion economic theory). Unless people are singing "Happy days are here again!" by next November, be prepared to experience the crappy end of an inauguration day.

 

[ichab]

Anyways, getting back to the actual topic of the thread, I will be interested to see how that district gets redrawn. My bets are that dems will make sure to split the district up many ways so that won't ever happen again.

 

[Amaris]

So what did you do in 2004 and 2000?

In 2004 I voted for John Kerry.
In 2000 I voted for George W. Bush.

I wasn't always this bastion of liberal, open minded thought.

No, what this was really all about is democrats making a big stink about nothing because bashing corporations has always been a talking point of theirs and Romney has the best chance of beating Obama.

I have no problem with ethical corporations, but I do not want corporations to have a vote. At that point, this nation's election process becomes more of a joke than it already is.

No Child Left Behind was a bipartisan solution to a, already failed system. In case you forgot, Ted Kennedy helped write it. It isn't perfect, but it does a much better job of holding failing schools accountable and not just passing through students who can't read. I don't know how anyone who claims to care about kids and public schools can say things were better before No Child Left Behind.

Why would I care whether Ted Kennedy wrote it or not? I'm not a Democrat. Also, your allusion to the idea that I don't care about children because I don't believe things were worse before NCLB is both obvious and ignorant.

He's the President of the United States so I certainly hope so. If he's not more smart and informed than Mr. Anonymous from the internet then that would explain a lot.

So you consider yourself dumber than the "boob" in the White House? That's interesting.

What's not to understand? The best GOP candidate at this point is still not as good as a "mediocre", "boob" of a President.

I guess you're trying to say that Obama will be the best choice in the general. If that is the case we will have to wait and see. We don't really know a lot about the candidates and the campaigns are just really getting started. One thing that is for sure, NO president since FDR has won re-election during a bad economy and Obama is no FDR(though he did try his best by following the flawed Keynesion economic theory). Unless people are singing "Happy days are here again!" by next November, be prepared to experience the crappy end of an inauguration day.

He'll win. I'm certain of it. The GOP has dug itself a hole, and while the Dems tend to fuck themselves over with little effort, the GOP will need another 4 years before they see the Oval Office again.