Wieners NY seat goes to GOP - foreshadow for 2012?

[DarthTom]

I think infrastructure spending is almost always a good thing, and our children will thank us for it regardless of whether it helps the immediate situation.

I think an end to the political gridlock, or at least a loosening of the knot, would be beneficial to the economy. It almost doesn't matter what DC does so long as there are clear signs they have a plan and are putting it in motion, rather than staring each other down for months on end.

From my conversations with small business people if he'd postpone the implementation of Health Care reform beyond his second term that would do a lot in terms of easing the fears of people that actually hire folks. But this is not evidence on my part, just anecdotal.

 

[DarthTom]

Has Obama ever come out and said, "Hey, our work is done, the economy is booming, three cheers for me!"? No? Then what the hell are you on about?

I would hope that the 'work would never be done.' The point is don't make promises you cannot keep. Also, when you make promises own up to the shit and take accountability.

Anyone over 30 remembers George W. Bush seniors "no new taxes" pledge. Look where that got him.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Has Obama ever come out and said, "Hey, our work is done, the economy is booming, three cheers for me!"? No? Then what the hell are you on about?

I would hope that the 'work would never be done.' The point is don't make promises you cannot keep. Also, when you make promises own up to the shit and take accountability.

Anyone over 30 remembers George W. Bush seniors "no new taxes" pledge. Look where that got him.

Then I suggest you never vote again, because every politician promises things that they do not have 100% control over.

 

[Cmdr_Blop]

When Obama goes down in flames, at least we will always have Anthony Wiener to blame. Stoopid, stoopid Anthony Wiener with your gigantic, uncontrollable urges!

Dick

No, you'll have Obama to blame.

 

[milo bloom]

Just curious - what do you think the President or the Congress should do to create jobs? The prior stimulus package proved rather ineffective at doing what was promised, notably creating "shovel ready jobs," which Obama said existed and then said did not over 1 year later.

I'm not an economist, nor do I play one on TV.

I have heard some economists opin that the previous stimulus did work to the extent that it could----stopping the downward spiral---but that considerably more spending would have been required to turn things around. I don't know if that's true, but I doubt we'll find out now that the Republicans are trying to turn "stimulus" into a 4-letter word.

I think infrastructure spending is almost always a good thing, and our children will thank us for it regardless of whether it helps the immediate situation.

I think an end to the political gridlock, or at least a loosening of the knot, would be beneficial to the economy. It almost doesn't matter what DC does so long as there are clear signs they have a plan and are putting it in motion, rather than staring each other down for months on end.

Unemployment declined once the stimulus was rolled out, and it continued to decline until the stimulus money had fully filtered out into the economy--which stopped early this year and, lo and behold, unemployment ticked back up soon after. It helped recovery to some extent but you're right, it was too small and timid, not nearly ambitious enough to turn things around. A stimulus of a few trillion dollars would've made a tremendous difference, but there was no political will for it then and there sure as hell isn't any such will now.

Obama needs to have a chart of that made up on one of those giant screened posters they can make now, and show it every chance he can. The government can, and does, make the economy better when it does things like this.

I think infrastructure spending is almost always a good thing, and our children will thank us for it regardless of whether it helps the immediate situation.

I think an end to the political gridlock, or at least a loosening of the knot, would be beneficial to the economy. It almost doesn't matter what DC does so long as there are clear signs they have a plan and are putting it in motion, rather than staring each other down for months on end.

From my conversations with small business people if he'd postpone the implementation of Health Care reform beyond his second term that would do a lot in terms of easing the fears of people that actually hire folks. But this is not evidence on my part, just anecdotal.

There's this little gem that just came out:


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/09/01/122865/regulations-taxes-arent-killing.html

Some choice bits:

None of the business owners complained about regulation in their particular industries, and most seemed to welcome it. Some pointed to the lack of regulation in mortgage lending as a principal cause of the financial crisis that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-09 and its grim aftermath.


.......


Since 2008, Daniels has opened one business and expanded another, hiring as many as 15 people thanks to lower labor costs and an abundance of overqualified job candidates. He credits the federal stimulus effort with helping to keep some smaller firms afloat.

"It allowed those folks to spend and have money and pay for the essentials," said Daniels, whose business pays corporate taxes. He grudgingly supports closing some business tax deductions to reduce the federal budget deficit.

"Who wants to pay more? I certainly don't. I want to pay my fair share, and I do," Daniels said, adding that he wouldn't resist loophole closures to cut deficits.

But most importantly:

Other small firms say their problem is simply a lack of customers.

A new WPA program should have been the sole use of the entire stimulus fund.





And going back to the implementation of the Health Care regulations, I suppose it's preaching to the choir that single-payer healthcare would eliminate this bit of burden for every frakking business in the country...

 

[Squiggy]

Has Obama ever come out and said, "Hey, our work is done, the economy is booming, three cheers for me!"? No? Then what the hell are you on about?

I would hope that the 'work would never be done.' The point is don't make promises you cannot keep. Also, when you make promises own up to the shit and take accountability.

Obama has said it's his responsibility time and time again. Just where are you getting your news from?

 

[SPOCKED]

^ Don't answer him DarthTom! IT'S A TRAP!!!!!

When Obama goes down in flames, at least we will always have Anthony Wiener to blame. Stoopid, stoopid Anthony Wiener with your gigantic, uncontrollable urges!

Dick

No, you'll have Obama to blame.

You know something, Cmdr_Blop -- you are absolutely correct

 

[DarthTom]

Then I suggest you never vote again, because every politician promises things that they do not have 100% control over.

If John McCain were running for reelection and not Barack Obama today [and everything was exactly the same] you'd be having him for lunch for his failed promises.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Then I suggest you never vote again, because every politician promises things that they do not have 100% control over.

If John McCain were running for reelection and not Barack Obama today [and everything was exactly the same] you'd be having him for lunch for his failed promises.

Not if he failed primarily because of opposition in Congress.

 

[DarthTom]

Obama has said it's his responsibility time and time again. Just where are you getting your news from?

Yes, yes. I've heard the mea culpa's. Just the other night on the NBC nightly news in an interview with Brian Williams he told us what bad luck he's had. cry, cry, Life's tough.

If Wieners seat is any indication - he's getting the boot come a year November for his 'bad luck.'

 

[DarthTom]

Not if he failed primarily because of opposition in Congress.

Seriously Robert how can you say that? For the first two years in office he got everything he wanted owning both houses of the congress. Health Care reform, numerous stimulus packages et al. I don't know how anyone with a straight face can claim he 'didn't get everything he wanted.'

It wasn't until this past January that things dramatically changed.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Not if he failed primarily because of opposition in Congress.

Seriously Robert how can you say that? For the first two years in office he got everything he wanted owning both houses of the congress. Health Care reform, numerous stimulus packages et al. I don't know how anyone with a straight face can claim he 'didn't get everything he wanted.'

It wasn't until this past January that things dramatically changed.

No, he didn't. He had to contend with the Blue Dog Democrats who sided with Republicans quite a bit. He never had the blank check Republicans gave Bush, and to imply otherwise is utterly dishonest.

 

[DarthTom]

No, he didn't. He had to contend with the Blue Dog Democrats who sided with Republicans quite a bit. He never had the blank check Republicans gave Bush, and to imply otherwise is utterly dishonest.

I'd hardly call the $810 billion stimulus bill passed in 2009 a rejection of his ideas.

NY Times

WASHINGTON — Without a single Republican vote, President Obama won House approval on Wednesday for an $819 billion economic recovery plan as Congressional Democrats sought to temper their own differences over the enormous package of tax cuts and spending.

 

[Lindley]

If Wieners seat is any indication - he's getting the boot come a year November for his 'bad luck.'

Normally that would be fine and appropriate. I'm not Obama's biggest fan, really.

But most of the Republican candidates this time around are simply too terrifying to contemplate in the White House. I don't know what's wrong with that party, but we simply don't dare give them control until they've gotten their own radical elements back under the rug.

 

[DarthTom]

But most of the Republican candidates this time around are simply too terrifying to contemplate in the White House. I don't know what's wrong with that party, but we simply don't dare give them control until they've gotten their own radical elements back under the rug.

Romney is tolerable. And if he's the least bit the Mitt Romney he was as governor of MA we'd be hard pressed to find substantial differences between Romney and Obama today.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

No, he didn't. He had to contend with the Blue Dog Democrats who sided with Republicans quite a bit. He never had the blank check Republicans gave Bush, and to imply otherwise is utterly dishonest.

I'd hardly call the $810 billion stimulus bill passed in 2009 a rejection of his ideas.

NY Times

WASHINGTON — Without a single Republican vote, President Obama won House approval on Wednesday for an $819 billion economic recovery plan as Congressional Democrats sought to temper their own differences over the enormous package of tax cuts and spending.

I just highlighted the part of your own source that you apparently ignored.

 

[RoJoHen]

I miss Mike Huckabee. He was funny.

 

[DarthTom]

I just highlighted the part of your own source that you apparently ignored.

Meh, John Boehner is getting the same bullshit form his own radicals in the GOP they're called the Tea Party.

Because Republicans have a better time creating a unified coalition aint their fault and that Democrats do have a larger problem creating a coalition might be labeled by some as a lack of leadership by the leader of the party, the President.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I just highlighted the part of your own source that you apparently ignored.

Meh, John Boehner is getting the same bullshit form his own radicals in the GOP they're called the Tea Party.

Because Republicans have a better time creating a unified coalition aint their fault and that Democrats do have a larger problem creating a coalition might be labeled by some as a lack of leadership by the leader of the party, the President.

Perhaps you missed the whole incident where the Tea Party Republicans almost caused us to default?

Yeah, Boehner's got some solid "leadership" there, huh?

So, what's your answer? Just let the Tea Party continue to take over the GOP until that's all it is? Good luck with that. I hope you enjoy the results.

 

[Lindley]

Because Republicans have a better time creating a unified coalition aint their fault and that Democrats do have a larger problem creating a coalition might be labeled by some as a lack of leadership by the leader of the party, the President.

Another way of looking at it is that Democrats represent a wider range of ideas and need to discuss things from more viewpoints before taking action, while Republicans simply fall in line with what they're told to believe.