Ensign Crew Quarters on Voyager?

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In the TNG episode "Lower Decks", its made quite clear that one of the motivations for the ensigns to get promoted to Lt. JG was so they didn't have to share quarters anymore. Yet on Voyager, it appeared that Ensigns (namely, Kim) got private quarters. In "Twisted", Kes rattles off the locations of several crewmen who seem to have their own quarters as well.

Especially since Intrepid-class ships had a standard crew compliment of 140, and after "Caretaker" adding the Maquis bumped Voyager up to 152. You'd think someone somewhere was going to be forced to double-bunk!

Also, since it appears most of the Maquis were given crewman rank, I would imagine they were being treated as enlisted (other than Torres and Chakotay, who both attended the academy). That makes Voyager have the most on-screen enlisted personnel of any of the ST series.

In "Blood Fever" we see Vorik's quarters.
In it was a double bed he shares with another crewmen.

"Good Shepherd" shows the quarters of Tal Celest and her sickly friend. Both were whispering over the comm. link due to the fact they share quarters with other crewmen.

In "Twisted" Kes rattles off crewmen quarters, this is true. She didn't say they didn't share those quarters with someone else.

 

[Cicero]

The existence of enlisted personnel was always handled very badly on the show. Apparantly Roddenberry envisioned a Starfleet where EVERYONE went to the academy, and thus was an officer, with no enlisted personnel.

The sentiment reminds me of a scene from Kingdom of Heaven. The Patriarch of Jerusalem, in response to the main character's mass elevation of all the city's defenders to knighthood, angrily asks whether making a man a knight makes him a better fighter, to which the main character simply replies, "Yes."

 

[Guy Gardener]

Enterprise D.

Families?

An enlisted crewman, has a family and two kids.

Does s/he have to share a room with another able-crewman?

Or would s/he never be assigned to he Enterprise?

Does that mean that the lower ranks are not allowed family on board or that single people are being persecuted for not being spouses and/or parents with cramped show boxes.

Data said that Spot had been impregnated by one of the 12 male cats aboard, whether that was including Spot who was also sometimes male I am not positive... But is there some rank requirement before you are allowed to have a cat? Two cats? Thee? Four? How many cats? Is that a crazy old cat ensign somewhere on a Mirror Enterprise? If you were a chief petty officer who had 14 cats, could you request a larger state room to house all your cats comfortably?

Then of course Enterprise had it's own fair share of civilians who would put up wth most anything to be on the ship, but really wouldn't be happy much less they would be snuggled in the comfort of Earth.

 

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Wasn't Roddenberry already dead when they introduced the concept of enlisted persons into Trek?

 

[Guy Gardener]

If you look in your encyclopaedia (you don't have one? Pishaw! ...Kidding. Of course you have one.) you'll see in the rank emblem section that there were several rank emblems and costume rank jewellery for the 2nd though 7th movie costumes for the enlisted craw.

 

[T'Girl]

Does that mean that the lower ranks are not allowed family on board

Miles and Keiko lived with Molly. If one were available, prior to Molly's birth, I could see the O'Brien's moving to larger quarters solely because of Molly upcoming delivery.

Family housing.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ah, but those may have been keikos quarters?

Civilian Botanist.

Or they could have traded in their two singles for a double?

O'Brien is very high ranked enlisted crewmen. It took him and anybody else at that level 20 years to get there. That makes him skilled and valuable. All though the ranks officer vs. enlisted are obviously not parallel, what he has to offer the Fleet is scarce if you factor in senoirity. His quarters by that thinking should be as large as the Captains.

 

[Timo]

The thing is, the E-D had enough internal space for providing each Crewman Apprentice, 7th Grade with two sets of Picard-standard suites. That four junior officers bunked together must mean that they preferred it that way...

...Although, to be sure, "Lower Decks" never shows the four sharing quarters. All we learn is that they gather together at somebody's quarters to play poker and spread rumors. And that Lavelle and Taurik share quarters, for whatever reason, but that Sito and Ogawa don't spend a night with them, nor do they indicate they would be spending it together. For whatever reason.

Wasn't Roddenberry already dead when they introduced the concept of enlisted persons into Trek?

That depends. Was he dead when he wrote the TOS pilot "The Cage", with its enlisted character CPO Garrison?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[tighr]

Chief Petty Officer is an NCO, so perhaps Roddenberry saw this as different from your standard enlisted crewman. His views also may have changed between TOS and TNG. O'Brien wasn't specifically referred to as a CPO until the 3rd season episode "Family", when Worf's foster father refers to him as such, claiming he held the same rank when he was in Starfleet. However, before we ever meet Worf's foster father, Worf refers multiple times to the "Officer who rescued me from Khitomer and adopted me", despite CPO being a non-com.

O'Brien also wore full lieutenant pips most of the way to season 5 until the Barclay transporter episode, when he started wearing a hollow pip denoting enlisted (probably because Barclay gives him orders, but Barclay is a Lt. JG).

What's clear is that on TNG, there were WAY too many officers.

 

[Gary7]

O'Brien's rank was a chief petty officer aboard the Enterprise-D. Given his high NCO rank, he must have had his own quarters.

The way I see it, enlisted and NCO's up until the 4th or 5th highest rank probably had to share quarters, unless they were married. In the military, marriage gives you some extra clout in type of quarters, depending upon the base/post and policies instituted. With junior officers, they share quarters but probably only for the first two steps in rank (ensign and 2nd (junior) lieutenant).

 

[Guy Gardener]

So it's not Homophobia!

They don't care about sodomy in the barracks but if two smart bastards, gay or otherwise, want to cheat the army out of "married" lodgings, it's not like every solider in the armed forces wouldn't pair off to stop sharing a shed with 20 blokes masturbating themselves to sleep without reservation to any noise levels.

Lex Luthor was right.

It's all about real estate

 

[spot_loves_data]

Now there's a vivid mental image, Guy Gardener.

I didn't see anyone mention this before, but Seven seemed to expect roomy quarters if she wanted to move out of the cargo bay. In that episode where she's getting it on with pseudo-Chakotay in the holosuite (why? HIM of all people?) her holo-quarters had huge windows and even a kitchen. But of course, this was just her fantasy.

Neelix had his own quarters and he was just sort of a useful hitchhiker. In that episode where Voyager houses that Klingon crew, Neelix mentions to Tuvok that he gave up his quarters to a Klingon family. It didn't sound like he had a roomie.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well, I was amazed that Neelix and Kes had separate Quarters, because if they were going to share with anyone, it would have been each other.

as an Admirals cherished and beloved garanddaughter, it's pretty credible that if Seven required it, she could have have any querters on Voyager that would usually be put aside for an admiral if her grandmother CCed the notion, or the quartermaster assumed that that would have been the admirals say so if they had the ability to ask her.

As an Admirals granddaughter they might even be pushing down walls to give her superquarters due to a person of her proxy rank.

 

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Well, I was amazed that Neelix and Kes had separate Quarters, because if they were going to share with anyone, it would have been each other.
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That's why I still don't believe they were having sex.
Why would two people already sexually intimate still choose seperate quarters? That usually happens when one or both in the relationship isn't ready for sex yet. Saving themselves.
Plus with Kes not even in puberty yet, would she even be physically ready to "receive" a mate properly?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I don't think they were having sex either, but separate quarters only means two sonic showers to have sex in.

 

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I don't think they were having sex either, but separate quarters only means two sonic showers to have sex in.

I prefer water.