Torchwood: Miracle Day #10 SPOILERS
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Well I personally liked it.
As for this:
Digital transmissions still get sent through the air and are still influenced by atmospheric conditions so don't get your knickers in a twist Alex.
As for this:
Digital transmissions still get sent through the air and are still influenced by atmospheric conditions so don't get your knickers in a twist Alex.
Normally, I'd agree with you, but there seemed to be a point to it here. We never saw Rex's chest again until he was shot, so his original wound having healed wouldn't have interfered with the "twist". After he'd been shot, simply seeing the bullet wound healing would have got the point across. It kinda seemed like his immortality hadn't kicked in properly until Charlotte killed him at the funeral.
@Dimesdan why is it that when someone has a legit complaint with something or is expressing displeasure (no matter what the reason is) you tell them not to get their knickers in a twist? There are reasons for everything but Alex has the right to express his displeasure with a service that is having glitches or whatever.
I just re-watched the episode and have come around a bit from my original opinion. There were some great moments, especially with Gwen, and I enjoyed the references to the Doctor. I kind of like the fact that it turned out there was no alien involvement in this for once. Humans screwing around with the Earth for their own betterment is something that we deal with in real life. There were tremendous acting performances in this episode as well. Eve especially and I think Bill Pullman was just sensational all through the series in as the creepy bastard Oswald Danes.
I just re-watched the episode and have come around a bit from my original opinion. There were some great moments, especially with Gwen, and I enjoyed the references to the Doctor. I kind of like the fact that it turned out there was no alien involvement in this for once. Humans screwing around with the Earth for their own betterment is something that we deal with in real life. There were tremendous acting performances in this episode as well. Eve especially and I think Bill Pullman was just sensational all through the series in as the creepy bastard Oswald Danes.
I'd agree that Bill Pullman was the highlight of the series. He seemed to be really having fun playing Danes, and I actually started to like the character by virtue of Pullman's performance. I loved the bit near the end where he looked like he was going to be overwhelmed by what The Blessing had shown him about himself, before pulling back and composing himself in acceptance of his nature.
I was disappointed.
After the excellence of Children of Earth, I expected a lot from Miracle Day. Sad to say, other than some brief moments (and the episode Immortal Sins), I didn't get what I was hoping for. Felt more like 24 than the Torchwood I've come to know and love.
Don't get me wrong, The Blood Line had some great moments - Gwen and Jilly's elevator brawl, the old Chinese lady after Gwen returns from the alley, Oswald's raving at the end. But, like the rest of Miracle Day, it felt disconnected. It was like the script was a first draft with no polish - serviceable, but could have been better with just a bit more work. And the direction had no pacing, especially in the scenes where Rex and Esther are captured.
All shows go through growing pains - I thought Torchwood's was done after CoE, but it seems that transitioning to an American co-production is causing them all over again. So here's to hoping that Torchwood gets renewed for another season - and this time really knocks it out of the park.
Jerriecan
After the excellence of Children of Earth, I expected a lot from Miracle Day. Sad to say, other than some brief moments (and the episode Immortal Sins), I didn't get what I was hoping for. Felt more like 24 than the Torchwood I've come to know and love.
Don't get me wrong, The Blood Line had some great moments - Gwen and Jilly's elevator brawl, the old Chinese lady after Gwen returns from the alley, Oswald's raving at the end. But, like the rest of Miracle Day, it felt disconnected. It was like the script was a first draft with no polish - serviceable, but could have been better with just a bit more work. And the direction had no pacing, especially in the scenes where Rex and Esther are captured.
All shows go through growing pains - I thought Torchwood's was done after CoE, but it seems that transitioning to an American co-production is causing them all over again. So here's to hoping that Torchwood gets renewed for another season - and this time really knocks it out of the park.
Jerriecan
So, this episode is basically nearly an hour of everyone assembled around an anus, discussing fate, the world, plans of evil conquest, threatening to kill each other until Jack and Rex bleed themselves dry, and restore mortality to the world. All the bad guys are then killed, including the evil ally Oswald Danes, a few good guys are killed, to give things emotional weight. Jack and Rex are alive again, only now Rex is also immortal, with instant healing and is presumably a fixed point in time.
I did enjoy the episode, it definately held my interest, even if some things were conventional or predictable. We start off with the Gwen Cooper Monologue, just like episode 5 of Children of Earth. I seriously think someday, TV Tropes might well name this kind of monologue the Gwen Cooper Monologue. Don't get me wrong, having her deliver the monologue when mortality is restored and they show everyone around the world, like her father and that girl PC Andy was watching over die was a nice moment, but this sort of thing is becoming a cliche.
The fact that everything would be solved by Jack dying and then resurrecting after everyone becomes mortal again was predicted by everyone back at the beginning. Also, a few friends of mine were predicting for the last few weeks that Esther would die, conventions of television pretty much made it clear she would have to. Likewise, it was pretty obvious that there would be mole for the Families among the soldiers in Argentina.
So what is this show's fetish with suicide bombers? The guy, in the premiere, Newman, the soldier in Argentina, and Oswald. That's more suicide bombers in one season than I've seen in all TV shows previous. Although, not a suicide bombing, I did enjoy John de Lancie going "oh, fuck!" when he realized there was a bomb in the bag Charlotte left.
And what was the point to Oswald's story, again. Was shooting him to fame just a ploy for the Families to test Jilly to determine if she was worth working for them? And it's not even made completely clear why the Families were so interested in Jilly. Oswald did have a nice moment when Jack tells him about the future of humanity and he almost seems ashamed of himself. Though they also did a pretty good job of showing of truly twisted he is when he commented that his victim is waiting for him in Hell.
The Families are left completely vague and enigmatic. I guess they're supposed to be, but jeez some insight into who or what they are would have been nice. All we have are three mysterious business men in the 1920s and a bunch of weird folks who speak in riddles in the modern day.
On a final note, it was nice to have some Doctor Who continuity porn, with referances to the Silurians, the Racnoss and the Doctor himself. And since the ending leaves Jack open for anything, maybe he could end up on the TARDIS for an adventure with the Eleventh Doctor? A fan can hope...
I did enjoy the episode, it definately held my interest, even if some things were conventional or predictable. We start off with the Gwen Cooper Monologue, just like episode 5 of Children of Earth. I seriously think someday, TV Tropes might well name this kind of monologue the Gwen Cooper Monologue. Don't get me wrong, having her deliver the monologue when mortality is restored and they show everyone around the world, like her father and that girl PC Andy was watching over die was a nice moment, but this sort of thing is becoming a cliche.
The fact that everything would be solved by Jack dying and then resurrecting after everyone becomes mortal again was predicted by everyone back at the beginning. Also, a few friends of mine were predicting for the last few weeks that Esther would die, conventions of television pretty much made it clear she would have to. Likewise, it was pretty obvious that there would be mole for the Families among the soldiers in Argentina.
So what is this show's fetish with suicide bombers? The guy, in the premiere, Newman, the soldier in Argentina, and Oswald. That's more suicide bombers in one season than I've seen in all TV shows previous. Although, not a suicide bombing, I did enjoy John de Lancie going "oh, fuck!" when he realized there was a bomb in the bag Charlotte left.
And what was the point to Oswald's story, again. Was shooting him to fame just a ploy for the Families to test Jilly to determine if she was worth working for them? And it's not even made completely clear why the Families were so interested in Jilly. Oswald did have a nice moment when Jack tells him about the future of humanity and he almost seems ashamed of himself. Though they also did a pretty good job of showing of truly twisted he is when he commented that his victim is waiting for him in Hell.
The Families are left completely vague and enigmatic. I guess they're supposed to be, but jeez some insight into who or what they are would have been nice. All we have are three mysterious business men in the 1920s and a bunch of weird folks who speak in riddles in the modern day.
On a final note, it was nice to have some Doctor Who continuity porn, with referances to the Silurians, the Racnoss and the Doctor himself. And since the ending leaves Jack open for anything, maybe he could end up on the TARDIS for an adventure with the Eleventh Doctor? A fan can hope...
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^ I got the impression that it was RTD using "science" to explain Jack's immortality. That somehow the Time Vortex energy that Rose used to give him his immortality managed over time to saturate directly into his blood stream. I'm guessing that Jack left traces of his blood over the centuries during jumping around the Earth. Unless I wasn't paying attention I don't think they explained how they obtained his blood in the first place.
The basement in New York where he was being killed over and over.
^ Of course. That episode seems so long ago now 
Oswald Danes would have died if not for the miracle. After it ended, he was still alive. I think that answers the question to some degree.
All that shows is that the poison used to carry out his execution had left his system or been broken down sufficiently by the time the miracle ended.
Nope, at the end of the episode, when Rex is getting the message telling him who the mole is, he explicitly says that the black analyst kid and de Lancie were both killed in the explosion.
More importantly, the first time Gwen tried to get into the Overflow Camp, the soldier she was talking to said that her father was a Category Two, so he'd probably heal up and be upgraded to Three. The whole idea of the category system was to separate the people who could still heal from those who were damaged beyond repair.
What i'm asking is how did the characters come to the conclusion in episode 9 that Jack's blood 'must' have something to do with it.
I believe it's likely they thought the two are connected but they seemed pretty sure of themselves. Why did Rex etc need to take blood from Jack? How did they know that would help?
They knew the three families took Jack's blood in the past. They knew all blood banks had their reserves destroyed post-miracle. They put two and two together and figured out either Jack's blood or, at a minimum, mortal blood, was important.
Also, Esther's been working on the blood plan for weeks. Jack called her a Vampire as she stuck a bag of it in the refrigerator a couple episodes back
^ Gee, snarky much?(I know, not at me, the show)
Yeah. It's my total disappointment. Because the idea was so great. And whether or not Rex had healed from his wound--which, really, shouldn't he have--SHOULD have been answered in a very direct way. But it seemed like as they went on they wanted to be more and more vague about what The Blessing was doing, whether or not you COULD die--the suicides, the incinerators, etc. They should have become MORE specific, not less. It's like they suddenly decided not to trust their idea and ran away from it.
You'll have to ask him.
So there's a hole in the Earth and some of Jack's blood would make it...
I can't be arsed trying to explore the logic. Still, that aside, this season has easily the best thing to have the name Torchwood on it. It could have easily been a few episodes shorter, but it kept me watching nevertheless. 3/5 overall, but who thought we'd ever be able to say Torchwood has been better than Doctor Who. In hindsight, we didn't know when we were well off with RTD.
I can't be arsed trying to explore the logic. Still, that aside, this season has easily the best thing to have the name Torchwood on it. It could have easily been a few episodes shorter, but it kept me watching nevertheless. 3/5 overall, but who thought we'd ever be able to say Torchwood has been better than Doctor Who. In hindsight, we didn't know when we were well off with RTD.
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