Merkel, Sarkozy, Propose Eurozone Government
- Thread starter CuttingEdge100
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you want to part of the Eurozone?
I say we let the Eurozone recover, and then decide if we jump in or not.
can we at least wait for the Euro Zone to recover first?
That's funny, I want to leave and attach our currency to sterling again. But Britain joining the euro might work too.It is one excuse after another about us not entering the single currency when it comes to people not wanting to enter it.
You're assuming the pound is somehow strong when it isn't really. I don't see anything underpinning our economy that makes us better off than France or Germany. Not like we have any significant exports, is there? We've allowed our industrial base to erode significantly and the only thing we really have going for us is financial services which isn't going to be worth a lot if the world plunges into depression. Not to mention which, financial services can and are being outsourced as well: see Singapore. WTF is the UK going to do then?
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The Neo-Nazi party is still in full swing in Europe today. This isn't ancient history.
Regardless setting aside the obvious hisotircal implications of Germany and to a lesser degree France from such economic control of the continent, I 'd think all Europeans would be weary of any one geography and people having a lot of influence over an entire region.
If Texas for example had more influence than the rest of the US states in guiding economic policy in the US, I'd be concerned.
Okay then, we'll play your game:
The Trail of Tears
Slavery
Jim Crow laws
Japanese Internment during WWII
Turing away the MS St. Louis and it's 937 Jewish passengers and sending them back to Europe in 1939 where many died in the Holocaust
Dropping 2 Atomic bombs
The million people who listend to "The Aryan Nation Broadcast"
The invasion of Iraq
The obvious historical implications of letting America have any kind of power are frightening.
Every country has it's demons in the past. The sly Nazi references are just childish.
The Trail of Tears
Slavery
Jim Crow laws
Japanese Internment during WWII
Turing away the MS St. Louis and it's 937 Jewish passengers and sending them back to Europe in 1939 where many died in the Holocaust
Dropping 2 Atomic bombs
The million people who listend to "The Aryan Nation Broadcast"
The invasion of Iraq
The obvious historical implications of letting America have any kind of power are frightening.
Every country has it's demons in the past. The sly Nazi references are just childish.
Did you even read the link you posted? It does nothing to show that neo-nazi parties are in "full swing" (whatever that's supposed to mean) in Europe today, just that neo-nazis in Germany (who can belong to a variety of parties and organisations or none at all) are more or less creative with the symbols through which they express their ideology. Who would have thunk? It has been going on for as long as the Federal Republic of Germany exists, I would guess. Sometimes, some of these symbols are banned, too. Then, new ones are thought up.
While there is a disturbing trend of right-wing parties gaining traction in a number of European countries lately - though I wouldn't characterise most of them as neo-nazi parties - it hasn't happened in Germany and is unlikely to happen anytime soon. There has never been such a party in the federal parliament or elected here to the European one. Currently, the NPD, which could be seen as a neo-nazi party, though they're trying very hard to stay within the confines of the Constitution - after all, the state tried to ban them already a few years ago, but failed - is represented in two out of 16 state parliaments.
I do worry about the rise of the right in some countries but it's highly unlikely they'll turn into some sort of Nazi regime. If you want to worry about an EU country turning totalitarian, worry about Hungary. The EU is keeping an eye on things there, though.
However, this has nothing to do with the references you made earlier in the thread so don't be so dishonest to pretend that it was the cause of them, please.
As for the topic at hand, before any more panic at the evil Germans once again trying to enslave Europe breaks out, here are the facts: Merkel and Sarkozy haven't agreed to anything substantial. France and Germany disagree about several things that are bandied around as being necessary for stabilising the Euro, most notably Euro bonds (Sarkozy seems to have come around, Germany is strictly against it). Even if they did, they both would have to get those measures through their respective national parliaments. Any changes to the Euro deal would need agreements from all Euro countries. So, it's not like the Franco-German dictatorship you make it out to be at all.
You know Tom, despite all the criticisms I and others had of your style of posting, I could at least respect that you did it in TNZ and took your lumps when you were wrong. But now with you pulling the same crap in Miscellaneous you're starting to get more brazen with it knowing people can't truly tell you how they feel about your dishonest tactics, and I find that really cowardly and passive-aggressive. If you're going to keep on being, well, you, do the right thing and take the discussion to TNZ. Just because there's no namecalling here doesn't mean the discussion is more mature if you're still playing your same old games.
*sigh* You did see the first winky emoticon right?
I also did see your subsequent posts.
ETA: What Locutus said.
ETA: What Locutus said.
I think the point is that "winky" doesn't make it okay. It's tired. But as others have pointed out, subsequent posts put the lie to the winking.
DarthFail at it again eh?
I'd say it's tedious, actually.
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