Idea for a new show/ possibly one movie

[bigo93bronco]

Hello,

I know the chances of getting a new TV series in the next few years are remote, but I feel the way DS9 ended set up the franchise with a great storyline for a new show. I enjoyed all of the shows and movies (except for the JJ one) but I always appreciated the reality aspect the came with DS9. As a former Marine, I enjoyed how the writters/directors of DS9 gave it a military theme. I know this isn't exactly what Gene might have wanted, but I always thought it added creditability to the entire franchise. No matter how evoloved your society is, there is always going to be someone out there who see's the wealth you have acumulated and trys to take it from you. It was nice to see someone finally give Cheif O'Brian an actual military rank, he's gonna be due alot of back-pay.

Anyway, my idea for the show is to pick-up where DS9 left off, using a new cast (unless any of the originals are willing to come back for anything more than a guest role). Here are the basic premises of such a show:

The Dominion War has been over for about five years

Odo returned to his people and they spend LONG periods of time in the link (trying to convince them to stop killing everyone)

The Federation finally gets to start really exploring the gama quadrant.

With the founders mostly absent, the Jem Hedar rebel against the Vorta frequently (we allready know thet don't like each other) and manyof them begin to operate much like pirates

At some point Ben Sisko is released by the prophets (Avery doesn't want to do anymore star trek but might go for one guest apearance or a movie)

The Breen, Klingons, and Romulans also explore the gamma quadrant mostly respecting the Federation since they control the only way home

A wormhole to the beta quadrant is discovered not that far from the one leading back to the alpha quadrant. Then another is discovered leading to the delta quadrant. Everyone begins to investigate how wormholes to all 4 quadrants of the galaxy could end up in such close proximity to one another.

Species discovered in the delta quadrant by Voyager are now able to interact with those we know from TNG and DS9.

The Borg would likely be interested in a natural means of transporting ships and equipment anywhere in the galaxy instantly (even they are being pressured to become "more green" these days)

Admiral Janeway is in charge of Federation intrests between all 4 quadrants.

As you can see the possibilities for a show like this are endless (even by Star Trek standards).

Imagine what would happen if:

The Kazzon make the mistake of upsetting the Jem Hedar
The Hirogen VS the Jem Hedar
Borg VS the Breen or Jem Hedar

I don't care for JJ Abrams version of Star Trek, but hopefully the renewed instrest in the franchise will prompt Paramount to give us a new TV series at some point in the future.

What do you guys think?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

If I ran the universe, DS9 would be back on TV.

However, just to interject some reality into this thread...

Paramount doesn't have TV rights to Star Trek. CBS does.

CBS has no particular motivation to put Star Trek on TV. They do just fine with their cookie-cutter cop shows and sitcoms. Why would they take a chance on a genre like space opera, which has completely died out on TV due to being a) too expensive and b) appealing to too small an audience?

CBS also owns Showtime and the CW. None of those three are very good fits for Star Trek. CBS's audience is too old and cop-show-oriented, Showtime's expects more sophisticated fare, and CW's would demand sexy teenage vampire Starfleet cadets.

If Star Trek ever returns to TV, it will be piggybacking on the success of JJ Abrams' movies. There's no sense piggybacking on failure, and to everyone with the power to make these decisions, all of Star Trek is a big, fat, stinking failure except for what JJ Abrams is doing.

Hollywood is all about the most recent success. TNG was successful around the time that dinosaurs roamed the Earth. DS9 was never a success at all (take a look at a Nielsens chart sometime, DS9 did a horrifying nose dive almost immediately). VOY and ENT just puttered along uselessly.

So JJ Abrams can't be blamed for destroying the chance of DS9 or any of the other series to have more TV shows. There never was any chance of that, because of the ratings. (No chance of movies, either.)

The most likely scenario is that Kurtzman and Orci manage to use their personal industry connections to convince CBS to care about Star Trek for just long enough to greenlight an animated series. They can point to the success of The Clone Wars as a template.

There's a built-in audience - kids and adults - and The Cartoon Network is the perfect venue for it. Animation can be done far more cost-effectively than live action, so the fact that the audience will be limited won't be a problem.

Best of all, the movie characters can be the focus of the series without anyone needing to pay Pine, Quinto, et al a penny (unless they want to do the voice acting and will lower their rates). Sound-alike voice actors can be brought in to mimic all the characters. Same situation as with The Clone Wars, where some of the actors are reprising their Star Wars roles and others not.

My quatloos are squarely on an animated version of Abrams' Trek. It's not my first choice, but it's far more likely than any of the other series being brought back in any form.

That pretty much covers things, but Future of Trek has more discussions on these topics.

 

[G2309]

Jem hadar as pirates? they're bread with no desires but to serve the founders. They don't seem to take pleasure in anything else.

 

[The_Baroness]

So basically you want Star Trek: Fanwank

 

[Trevacious]

With the founders mostly absent, the Jem Hedar rebel against the Vorta frequently (we allready know thet don't like each other) and manyof them begin to operate much like pirates

What do you guys think?

Like Pirates? What do the Jem'Hadar care for Booty?

 

[Oso Blanco]

So basically you want Star Trek: Fanwank

I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[Edinburgh]

Idea for new DS9 spin of show!!!


Imagination time!!!

Federation all happy that the dominion war is over and now its the time to get back to doing what they do best.... To boldly go!

BUT back on earth.....
Ur a civilian Human living on earth, head out to work one day, on Ur return home you find the Breen has destroyed half the city along with Ur whole family.

After the grieving, you become angry.

but wait! the federation have signed a peace treaty with the Breen/dominion, every things OK.. Right?

Not so much of a civil war but a change in the prim directive... Earth no longer trusts the Federation.

How many people died in the dominion war?

All the federation needed to do was blow up the wormhole.

The people are sick and tired of trying to be everyone friend and getting shat on... Time to shut up shop, time to stop being everyone's friend, Time to show a bit of muscle, Time for the rise of section 31.....

Only a select few stand in the way of section 31's goal of turning the federation in to a dictatorship over the alpha quadrant.....


Thoughts!

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Shouldn't Garak already be thinking along those lines? A Cardassian would have the greatest motivation for vengeance against the Dominion, and Garak certainly would be sneaky and effective enough to wreak a lot of chaos that wouldn't necessarily trace back to him, but might trace back to the AQ, thus thwacking the Dominion beehive all over again.

And yeah, the Romulans did have the right idea. I hope the fact that their prescient attempt to blow up the wormhole was prevented by Starfleet meddlers never becomes common knowledge or there will be hell to pay for that dumbass decision.

When you look at the whole scope of the war, from the the causes (beginning with Starfleet not heeding Dominion warnings) through how the war was prosecuted and how it ended, the whole thing is an embarrassing clusterfuck and Starfleet doesn't come out of it terribly well, especially since in the end, they won the war and averted a much bigger disaster only through dumb luck. If I were a Fed citizen, I'd be pretty pissed off at Starfleet and start wondering if I really wanted my security depending on their competence.

 

[TheLobes]

Theres a lot of stuff in there, but there isnt really anything original. DS9 was the last show to actually stand out, VOY and ENT basically just rehashed old ideas. I think youre starting big, instead of starting small. The problem is that most good stories come from something small, like with some nice character dynamics or one interesting situation that hasnt really been explored before.

When you get big ideas like this it all sounds fun, but then you start thinking about individual episodes and it all comes apart, because there was no stable foundation. This is why it always annoys me when people chuck around the idea of a new show being on a Klingon ship, or in a Borg war or something. The novelty wears off fast.

I didnt really hate or love the Abrams film, but I admired his balls in just creating another timeline and doing something else with Trek.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The problem is that most good stories come from something small

DS9 had plenty of good stories that came from something big (interstellar politics and the war).

When you get big ideas like this it all sounds fun, but then you start thinking about individual episodes and it all comes apart, because there was no stable foundation. This is why it always annoys me when people chuck around the idea of a new show being on a Klingon ship, or in a Borg war or something. The novelty wears off fast.

I've read plenty of concepts like that and yeah, they all blend into one another. When someone starts listing who the captain is, and what species they're from, etc, I just tune out. Whoooo cares.

But this concept does have a "stable foundation" - it's about vengeance, in this case, vengeance from the point of view of the main character (the good guy, whereas the vengeful ones are usually the bad guy - Khan, Nero). You can build a good story from that.

I just think it would be more interesting and more Trek-like for the vengeance to be coming from a non-Federation (but still sympathetic) source because the Federation is supposed to be above all that, and Earth is part of the Federation. The main character could be Garak, or perhaps a Section 31 operative who is not supported by the mainstream of the Federation or Earth.

I didnt really hate or love the Abrams film, but I admired his balls in just creating another timeline and doing something else with Trek.

Abrams didn't do anything new with Trek. His idea (and a very successful one, too) was to go back to the core and resurrect the marketable names - Kirk, Spock, Enterprise. The "original" part - setting everything in a new reality - was a necessity so that he wouldn't a) annoy the hell out of existing fans by wiping out all of Trek history or b) hamstring his movies by making everything a foregone conclusion.

And that really isn't all that original of an idea anyway. His new cosmos isn't as distinct as the Mirror Universe. It's just old wine in a new bottle. Abrams' achievement is more impressive in the commercial realm - he resurrected a franchise that I'm sure had been written off by many in Hollywood as old and irrelevant - and not so much in the artistic or imaginative realm. But someone with a good business sense is just what Star Trek needed most at that point. We can get more creativity later (hopefully).

 

[TheLobes]

The problem is that most good stories come from something small

DS9 had plenty of good stories that came from something big (interstellar politics and the war).

But DS9 did start with something small, and then the war grew out of that. The war was interesting because of how it affected the characters and the relationships they had with each other. These were the simple show elements that had been worked out at the start of the show. The actual war parts were really kind of childish.

It's just old wine in a new bottle. Abrams' achievement is more impressive in the commercial realm - he resurrected a franchise that I'm sure had been written off by many in Hollywood as old and irrelevant - and not so much in the artistic or imaginative realm. But someone with a good business sense is just what Star Trek needed most at that point. We can get more creativity later (hopefully).

Yeah, but better than old wine in an old bottle. Abrams' made something I enjoyed. A trek series hasnt done that since DS9 (season 5), and a trek movie hasnt done that since The Undiscovered Country. Im not saying he did anything artistic or particularly noteworthy, but what he did do, he did well, and never pretended it was Shakespeare.