So Neelix is Dead too?
Or was Seven bullshitting about resurrecting Drones after a couple days dead?
Or was Seven bullshitting about resurrecting Drones after a couple days dead?
Plot hole, why not shoot the Borg with shotguns?
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^ Neelix is dead in so... many.... ways.
Side-Note: I don't quite buy the "all drones are dead" notion. Why bother using hybrid organic/ mechanical drones at all post-assimilation if the machinery is doing all the work? The flesh is much more delicate, especially when necrotic- in fact, logically, a full artificial exo-skeleton loaded with nanites, weaponry and sensors might ultimately be more efficient in terms of resources. (There must be something in the nature of live, organic tissue that makes hybrid drones attractive- I'd bet on it being the processing capability of the brain....)
Flesh requires an organic atmosphere, some form of nutrient supply and it's own electro-chemical system for full function. Seems unlike the Borg drive for perfect efficiency to be lumping corpses around. Suck out the tasty, gooey bits, enjoy the data and dump the caracasses in a matter reclamation unit. Simples!
Yuck, I've actually begun to think this through... >_<
Matter at hand?
If the adaptation capability is based upon the collective memory and processing power of a particular branch of the Hive, it would be conceivable that no one branch of the Collective would ever ultimately be fully up to date with every weapon ever encountered- if we factor in galaxy-wide communications needs (are interplexing beacons normal on Borg Vessels, are they instantaneous, do they have high phone bills?) and those branches closed off in multiverses/ other galaxies/ mutara nebulae and so on and so forth.
So, you might have a chance if Branch A hasn't interfaced with Unicomplex B and updated it's data on weapon C.
Unless the Queen is knocking about, in which case, you're screwed.
Side-Note: I don't quite buy the "all drones are dead" notion. Why bother using hybrid organic/ mechanical drones at all post-assimilation if the machinery is doing all the work? The flesh is much more delicate, especially when necrotic- in fact, logically, a full artificial exo-skeleton loaded with nanites, weaponry and sensors might ultimately be more efficient in terms of resources. (There must be something in the nature of live, organic tissue that makes hybrid drones attractive- I'd bet on it being the processing capability of the brain....)
Flesh requires an organic atmosphere, some form of nutrient supply and it's own electro-chemical system for full function. Seems unlike the Borg drive for perfect efficiency to be lumping corpses around. Suck out the tasty, gooey bits, enjoy the data and dump the caracasses in a matter reclamation unit. Simples!
Yuck, I've actually begun to think this through... >_<
Matter at hand?
If the adaptation capability is based upon the collective memory and processing power of a particular branch of the Hive, it would be conceivable that no one branch of the Collective would ever ultimately be fully up to date with every weapon ever encountered- if we factor in galaxy-wide communications needs (are interplexing beacons normal on Borg Vessels, are they instantaneous, do they have high phone bills?) and those branches closed off in multiverses/ other galaxies/ mutara nebulae and so on and so forth.
So, you might have a chance if Branch A hasn't interfaced with Unicomplex B and updated it's data on weapon C.
Unless the Queen is knocking about, in which case, you're screwed.
When did they establish that?
Picard could remember everything that happened as Locutus.
Dr Crusher never said anything about Hugh bein' a walkin' corpse.
Seven of Nine's biology reasserted itself when she was seperated from the Collective.
The Borg kids were the same.
As for Neelix bein' a corpse, he was merely resuscitated. Happens all the time in hospitals, ya know...Seven yelled "CLEAR!" and zapped him.
Crusher's EMH merely suggested that analgesic cream would fix up the Borg skin irritation.
They're not dead.
They're not dead.
Had it been killed or do they have a state of hibernation to deal with nothing to frakk?
One could make the same supposition about those Borg Picard missed and gave Archer a good kicking.
Deciding to die on their own terms in a manner which they can undie at a given trigger, is hardly the same as being riddled with holographic bullets and then some bald limey rooting around in your guts looking for a data processor.
Meh?
The Queen in parts in storage?
One could make the same supposition about those Borg Picard missed and gave Archer a good kicking.
Deciding to die on their own terms in a manner which they can undie at a given trigger, is hardly the same as being riddled with holographic bullets and then some bald limey rooting around in your guts looking for a data processor.
Meh?
The Queen in parts in storage?
Technically speaking the Borg drone is dead. Their seems to be little separation of the dead or living drone if your located on a Borg cube or, otherwise, in outer space governed by their machinery. A person can stroll in their halls and the drone will not respond unless called to do so. Even if your clearly the enemy. What intelligence they carry is shared with the collective. An exact example was given by DonIago when the dead drone became animated after a few sensors turned on. This is always life aboard ship. The Hansens played with their acquired drone with little or no worry of being detected. Seven, in Season 4(Mortal Coil) is apprehensive about describing a dead drone brought alive when she was trying to convince the captain she wants to save Neelix.
Their seems to be myriads of instances within the Borg empire that has provisions. If planetside, the flesh side of its existence will reassert itself. This is the ep 'Survival Instinct' in season 6. Borg machinery really couldn't keep away their character or they never created their dreamworld in 'Unity'. But ,technically speaking besides these provisions, their is no fear of being dead inside a Borg cube because they already are.
The Borg kids. The Borg baby.
How can necrotic flesh maturate?
How can necrotic flesh maturate?
Stop maturating, you'll go blind!
Can I keep at it till I just need glasses?
It has seemed to me that energy weapons can be neutralized with reciprocal energy in the form of shielding, so the Borg make sense to me in that respect - they experience an energy attack once or twice, figure out what the appropriate reciprocal is, and then attacks of that specific type and frequency don't work anymore. This even explains why they work again, later, and why multiphasic (multi-frequency) attacks work - a single drone presumably only has enough energy to make a few such reciprocal defenses effective at once, and no drone is irreplacable, so it makes a certain amount of sense that the Collective would reassess what is being thrown at them each time.
It also seems to me, though, that solid projectiles being flung at high energy by what amounts to contained explosions (especially contained explosions generated by the best materials available to the 24th century Federation for both the explosive and the containment of said explosion - we aren't necessarily talking just gunpowder and lead, here) should be readily able to overpower whatever personal shields a single drone can generate. So, in answer to the thread's question, maybe not shotguns as we know them, but, yeah, it does seem like a matter projectile device would work better. (They're shotguns, Jim... but not as we know them.
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It also seems to me, though, that solid projectiles being flung at high energy by what amounts to contained explosions (especially contained explosions generated by the best materials available to the 24th century Federation for both the explosive and the containment of said explosion - we aren't necessarily talking just gunpowder and lead, here) should be readily able to overpower whatever personal shields a single drone can generate. So, in answer to the thread's question, maybe not shotguns as we know them, but, yeah, it does seem like a matter projectile device would work better. (They're shotguns, Jim... but not as we know them.
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They covered this in DS9 when Dax and Lionel Luthor were hunting down an assassin who were teleporting bullets into his target. Something about how rifles were shelved in favour of regenerative powersources for phasers.
I was thinking that they were probably removed from society because they were probably seen as barbaric given that they were so much more evolved when the Trek timeline starts.
Thanks for clarification. If only we were that smart about power sources now.
Slug throwers had been phased out (pun not intended) centuries earlier, this was a retro come back weapon to be used in environments where phasers started going wiggy. Phasers are always going wiggy.
Remember the machine guns from WWIII seen in encounter at farpoint? Surgically grafted to the hand and the brain. Shoot a little bit and you felt good, actually kill a few targets and you cum.
Remember the machine guns from WWIII seen in encounter at farpoint? Surgically grafted to the hand and the brain. Shoot a little bit and you felt good, actually kill a few targets and you cum.
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