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I have a bad feeling everyone in Miracle Day is...

It would be helpful (especially with part of the fan base that is still confused) as to get clarification from The Moff what exactly the changes that were made by the universe's reset. It's all well and good for us to speculate but that's all we're doing and it's clear that no one is going to agree lol. Butters I apologize if I am at all terse in this thread, it's just that another poster was really aggressive in his views on this particular subject and it was extremely frustrating having any kind of debate with him.
 
It would be helpful (especially with part of the fan base that is still confused) as to get clarification from The Moff what exactly the changes that were made by the universe's reset. It's all well and good for us to speculate but that's all we're doing and it's clear that no one is going to agree

I think that's the intent, actually. That way, Moffat gets to pick and choose what is or isn't remembered with no need to explain.
 
^ I would agree. That's another reason why I think debating what is "canon" now and what isn't is kind of silly. I truly understand fans over-protectiveness of continuity but in a series like Doctor Who where time travel is a key element it's difficult to really sort all of those things out. To me personally I accept that everything that I've seen on the screen happened. I enjoy things more that way :)
 
Eh, the Whoniverse has always had the population at large conveniently forget previous Alien encounters, been that way for almost 50 years, nothing new here. Why was it acceptable before, but, now all of a sudden it's not?

As Admiral Young mentions, at least Moffat has introduced the Time Crack, so, he always has the out that all the previous was rebuilt, whenever it's convenient for him for the Population at large to not beware of previous Alien encounters. And, yea, that's why he won't explain exactly what was rewritten, because he doesn't want to be locked in
 
Seven: "Do you remember the Zygon gambit with the Loch Ness monster? Or the Yetis in the Underground?"
Ace: "The what?"
Seven: "Your species has the most amazing capacity for self-deception, matched only by its ingenuity when trying to destroy itself!"

This is nothing new in the Whoniverse.

Personally, I prefer this approach. Even to the extent that if people do remember, it's something they would prefer to forget and not talk about. It's one of those SF/F things I've come to accept pretty readily, particularly thanks to Buffy/Angel. To me, it feels awkward when you do have civilians remembering and commenting on previous alien invasions, like referring to the events of "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" in "Planet of the Dead" & "Waters of Mars."

WHERE THE FUCK WAS TRINITY WELLES!?

Off getting the cosmetic surgery necessary to make her pretty enough to pass muster on an American news network!

There was really no need to include a "Mister Smith put out a cover-up story about wifi going mad" in "The End of Time, Part Two." After a Dalek invasion, why would anyone really have trouble believing that something temporarily turned everyone into replicas of Harold Saxon?

Plus, why would anyone else remember what had happened to them when they had stopped being themselves and had become a different person?
 
There was really no need to include a "Mister Smith put out a cover-up story about wifi going mad" in "The End of Time, Part Two." After a Dalek invasion, why would anyone really have trouble believing that something temporarily turned everyone into replicas of Harold Saxon?

Plus, why would anyone else remember what had happened to them when they had stopped being themselves and had become a different person?

Well, presumably they would have noticed that everyone on the planet blacked out and then came to the next day at the same time, that they were no longer where they had been the day before, and that there was footage of everyone turning into the Master all at once, including the President of the United States, numerous news anchors covering his Christmas Day address (including Trinity Wells), and anyone who happened to be operating a home video camera or video phone at the time. It's just really not the sort of thing you can cover up, every single person turning into the Master at the same time...

(I'd hate to see the impact of everyone turning in the Master all at once on the world economy. Hell, between that and the sorts of panic that would naturally result from Raxicoricalfalipatorian ships slamming into Big Ben while 10 Downing Street is destroyed, from Sycorax ships mind mojoing a third of the planet's population into trying to kill themselves, from global Cybus Cybermen invasions, from Racnoss attacks on the City of London, from the assassination of the United States President-elect on live television on the order of the British Prime Minister, from the Sontaran invasion attempt, from the global unrest that would almost certainly follow the 4-5-6 Crisis, and from the cities and militaries devastated by the Dalek Invasion, I'd frickin' hate to live in the RTD-era Whoniverse. The global economy's probably been screwed over since Series One!)
 
I wonder if this will be mentioned in or tie into Doctor Who in any way. As far as I know the Children arc wasn't though.
 
I wonder if this will be mentioned in or tie into Doctor Who in any way. As far as I know the Children arc wasn't though.

There was Gwen's huge "where's the Doctor now?" monologue

I think SG-17 means, will Doctor Who acknowledge the events of Miracle Day, since Children of Earth wasn't mentioned or referenced on Doctor Who aside from the Doctor findin' Jack in the alien bar & givin' him some guy's name.
 
I wonder if this will be mentioned in or tie into Doctor Who in any way. As far as I know the Children arc wasn't though.

There was Gwen's huge "where's the Doctor now?" monologue

I think SG-17 means, will Doctor Who acknowledge the events of Miracle Day, since Children of Earth wasn't mentioned or referenced on Doctor Who aside from the Doctor findin' Jack in the alien bar & givin' him some guy's name.
I must have missed that monologue, where in the episode was it?

Also, yes that is what I mean.
 
I wonder if this will be mentioned in or tie into Doctor Who in any way. As far as I know the Children arc wasn't though.

There was Gwen's huge "where's the Doctor now?" monologue

I think SG-17 means, will Doctor Who acknowledge the events of Miracle Day, since Children of Earth wasn't mentioned or referenced on Doctor Who aside from the Doctor findin' Jack in the alien bar & givin' him some guy's name.

Dude!

That was Alonzo!

The Doctor spent 3 years looking for someone to say Alons-Y Alonzo to.

(Voyage of the damned)
 
I wonder if this will be mentioned in or tie into Doctor Who in any way. As far as I know the Children arc wasn't though.

There was Gwen's huge "where's the Doctor now?" monologue

I think SG-17 means, will Doctor Who acknowledge the events of Miracle Day, since Children of Earth wasn't mentioned or referenced on Doctor Who aside from the Doctor findin' Jack in the alien bar & givin' him some guy's name.

Who knows? I mean, it's not like Doctor Who has to mention everything that happens on Torchwood anyway. It's a big universe and a big timeline. The Doctor doesn't spend that much time talking about the Cuban Missile Crisis -- nor, so far as we know, did he intervene in it -- but the Earth was in at least as much danger from that as it was from the 4-5-6 Crisis.
 
You'd think that huge things like the 456 and Miracle Day would have a big effect on his (current and former) companions and their families.
 
You'd think that huge things like the 456 and Miracle Day would have a big effect on his (current and former) companions and their families.

If the Doctor picked up an American companion from, say, March of 2002, would you expect him or her to talk about 9/11 a whole lot?

People can go through things that are traumatic on a societal level without it absolutely traumatizing them on an individual level.

As for whether or not the 4-5-6 Crisis would affect the Doctor's companions...

Well, none of his post-Series Four companions really coincided with the Crisis. His adventure with Christina in "Planet of the Dead" apparently occurred the year before most of Series Four, if I remember correctly. The next time we saw him, he had landed in the year 2059 on Mars -- the 4-5-6 Crisis having been 50 years passed. He landed next in Christmas 2009 London, and the crisis was already over -- and, frankly, it's not like the Noble family have any children themselves. But it's also obvious that British society is hurting in "The End of Time, Parts One & Two," too.

The next time he lands in "The Eleventh Hour," he first lands in 1996. When his five-minute trip lasts twelve years, he ends up in 2008 -- a year before the crisis. Finally, at the end of "The Eleventh Hour," he finds himself in 2010 Leadworth, two years after most of the Atraxi crisis and almost a year after the 4-5-6 Crisis.

As for how the 4-5-6 situation would have affected his newest companions.... Amy and Rory had no children, and Leadworth seems to have few children in general. It's possible that none of the children selected by the British Cabinet for enslavement by the 4-5-6 were anywhere near Leadworth and that as such, the British Army never entered their village. (Remember, Prime Minister Brian Green's government specifically decided to target children from under-performing schools and economically disadvantaged families for enslavement, not a general 10% of the entire child population.) For Amy and Rory, the 4-5-6 Crisis may well have been something horrible that happened and they can't believe it, but still something that happened Somewhere Else and not something that personally affected them.
 
Well there is Melody Pond, but who knows when she was even born. Oh wait, AGMGTW, sometime around that time period.
 
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