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Final shuttle goes up - US manned missions to space over for a while

DarthTom

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The final shuttle, Alantis, lauched this morning despite concerns over the weather.

And it appears that NASA is drifting aimlessly when it comes to US deployed manned space travel for the foreseeable future.

Thoughts about NASA, the future of the US space program and generally the short and long term plans for manned space flight internationally.

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Now that NASA's budget has some room to breath, maybe they'll be able to start figuring out how to do new things again rather than repeating the same exercise over and over every few months.
 
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Hey, the Russians are still flying! Their whole government collapsed and they still won the "Space Race!" :lol:
 
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Now that NASA's budget has some room to breath, maybe they'll be able to start figuring out how to do new things again rather than repeating the same exercise over and over every few months.

Brian Williams interviewed John Glenn recently and he was bemoaning the retirement of the shuttle program and US manned space flight.

But I agree. The shuttle program was enormously expensive and when you compare it to free market space tourist initiatives like what Virgin Galactic is trying to do it makes little if any sense to continue to launch it.

I think NASA needs to re-prioritize what it does and with the US essentially broke for the foreseeable future, things like space fight will be considered by most a luxury not a necessity.
 
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President Obama spoke recently (at a Twitter town hall meeting) and continues to encourage a Mars mission. He offered that a good idea would be a "pit stop" on an asteroid.

I have to admit, that got me thinking...isn't the gravity way too low on an asteroid to make a "pit stop" there practical?
 
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DarthTom said:
The final shuttle, Alantis, lauched this morning despite concerns over the weather.

And it appears that NASA is drifting aimlessly when it comes to US deployed manned space travel for the foreseeable future.

Thoughts about NASA, the future of the US space program and generally the short and long term plans for manned space flight internationally.

Time to design and build newer and better space crafts.
 
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Actually, I don't think manned soace flight is over for the US. They're still involved in things like the ISS, they just have to use the Russian Soyuz rocket to get into space.
 
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I have to admit, that got me thinking...isn't the gravity way too low on an asteroid to make a "pit stop" there practical?

No. In fact, the low gravity makes visiting an asteroid far easier than visiting Mars.

Getting there is a major challenge. Keeping astronauts protected and sane for the entire journey is a major challenge. But the biggest challenge of a manned mission to Mars, in my mind, is getting back out of the gravity well once they're down. They just don't have the infrastructure there that we do on Earth to support rocket launches, so something else will need to be figured out.

Hey, maybe they'll even come up with something that makes Earth launches much easier while they're at it.
 
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President Obama spoke recently (at a Twitter town hall meeting) and continues to encourage a Mars mission. He offered that a good idea would be a "pit stop" on an asteroid.

Larry Elder is fond of saying, "a goal without a plan is just a wish," and in my opinion all we have are wishes right now when it comes to manned space exploration.
 
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When will people realize that Virgin Galactic's amusement park ride is not the future of space exploration?
 
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^^ Hopefully never, because that's exactly where the future of space travel is. Now that the Shuttle Program is done, what NASA needs to do is throw some subsidies at private entrepreneurs who won't spend a hundred times what needs to be spent.

Adios, Space Shuttle.
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Can't you just imagine private enterprise taking over space exploration now? I can just see somebody like Donald Trump figuring out a way for anybody with the $$ to go for a space ride. Kind of like the movie 2012 where seats were sold to the rich to finance building of the arcs.
 
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The shuttle program was enormously expensive and when you compare it to free market space tourist initiatives like what Virgin Galactic is trying to do it makes little if any sense to continue to launch it.

The "space tourism industry" will cease to exist minutes after one of those rockets fails and wipes out its complement of mega-wealthy passengers.
 
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Sometimes you just feel like the human race has already peaked, I feel like that today.

I'd much rather have my tax dollars go to NASA than to pointless wars and tax breaks for millionaires. I'd happily pay higher taxes if we could "get our asses to Mars".
 
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Shuttle launched at 3.30am local time and I had my twins first birthday party all day so I finally was able to catch a bit of it on the news.

End of an era really. The shuttle first flew when I was three but the Bond movie Moonraker screened a couple of years earlier, so to me shuttles have been around my entire life. I'm gonna miss it, and it's frustrating that there isn't an immediate successor ready to launch in a few months time (then again, there was a gap between the final Apollo missions and the first flight of Columbia).
 
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The shuttle program was enormously expensive and when you compare it to free market space tourist initiatives like what Virgin Galactic is trying to do it makes little if any sense to continue to launch it.

The "space tourism industry" will cease to exist minutes after one of those rockets fails and wipes out its complement of mega-wealthy passengers.
Exactly. Just like the Titanic put an end to the passenger ship industry.
 
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I think from this point forward, space travel and exploration should be a multi-national effort, a project of the human race, rather than a competition among individual countries for bragging rights.
 
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The shuttle program was enormously expensive and when you compare it to free market space tourist initiatives like what Virgin Galactic is trying to do it makes little if any sense to continue to launch it.

The "space tourism industry" will cease to exist minutes after one of those rockets fails and wipes out its complement of mega-wealthy passengers.
Exactly. Just like the Titanic put an end to the passenger ship industry.

Much as I enjoyed the witty reply I think the fact that making ship travel safer is much easier than making space travel safer is quite intuitive for most people.
 
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The shuttle program was enormously expensive and when you compare it to free market space tourist initiatives like what Virgin Galactic is trying to do it makes little if any sense to continue to launch it.

Because Virgin Galactic will be hauling up and repairing 25,000 lb. satellites, conducting extensive microgravity experiments, assembling and repairing space stations, and not just taking a few rich people up on brief suborbital flights, right? :rolleyes:

They're not comparable, at all.

I think NASA needs to re-prioritize what it does and with the US essentially broke for the foreseeable future, things like space fight will be considered by most a luxury not a necessity.

Given the usually long term nature of designing, funding, constructing, testing, and deploying manned spacecraft and the tendency for the economy to fluctuate - sometimes quite dramatically - over those long stretches of time, it is unreasonable to expect to only fund manned spacecraft programs when the economy is doing well.

Fortunately a majority of people in the country aren't as shortsighted and dollar obsessed as you are and realize we need to aspire to better things even when it's not the most economically frugal choice.

http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/0...spaceflight-poll-mars-mission-budget-squeeze/

http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/0...in-space-exploration-but-what-does-that-mean/
 
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The problem with Space is that there's nothing profitable out there yet, beyond sticking objects (not people) into various Earth orbits. That's not to say it can't be insanely profitable in the future, but it's not looking likely in the medium-term. So no-one really needs to put people up there right now. Governments have better things to do, and to spend money on, and frankly I don't blame them in the slightest for deprioritising space exploration.

All the great explorations of the past have been financially driven, with science second at best: Columbus discovered America while trying to break a trade route monopoly, Livingstone explored the heart of Africa with the word Commerce as a prominent part of his personal motto, Lewis & Clark had clear Asian and resource commercial goals to their expedition, Marco Polo was a merchant... I could go on, but the point is obvious: we haven't found anyone to trade with in space, and it currently costs more to extract resources from extraterrestial locations than it does to do so on Earth.

Manned space travel will only really take off (pardon the pun) when it becomes too costly to carry out the equivalent activity on Earth. The tourism/leisure industry can only go so far; until the technology becomes cheap enough to support the mass market, the infrastructure it can support in space is quite limited.

When either resources become too expensive to extract from Earth, or the environment becomes sufficiently inhospitable to be a strong motivator to look elsewhere, then we'll happily spend the vast sums required to explore further afield, enabling rapid space exploration. Until then, it's simply more cost-effective to stay in our backyard. There's no need to bewail this state of affairs. Man WILL explore the stars, we WILL eventually colonise other planets, and so on. Just not yet, because it's too expensive.

The only people who could break this paradigm are private equity/venture capital funds willing to play financial long shots for the prospect of massive future returns. And even most of them have shorter long shots (you know what I mean) on Earth rather than off it.

The only alternative is if a security risk arises, requiring territorial occupation of space. This was of course the driver to much of the space exploration of the 50s/60s. If there's a similar security need, then it will take place again, but even with China and India's ambitions, I don't really see the security risk as being sufficient to prompt such investment again within the next decade or two.
 
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