nu-Mirror universe
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In TNG: Parallells, there are pretty much unlimited universes crashing toghether, isn't tehre?
Depends on perspective. The number of universes that contain variants of the Enterprise-D would be so large as to give a better impression of infinity than actual infinity would.* But as a subset of the total number of variant universes, including all of the ones that never had an Enterprise-D, a Starfleet (by whatever name or character), or even intelligent life on the Federation's founding worlds, it was really an very, very tiny set we were seeing. And 800,000 (or whatever Wesley said) would really be an insignificant portion of that.
(*Douglas Adams paraphasing seems to be at full, lately.
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A tiny fraction of infinity is still infinity.
This is what the writer of "Threshold" failed to grasp.
This is what the writer of "Threshold" failed to grasp.
Depends on perspective. The number of universes that contain variants of the Enterprise-D would be so large as to give a better impression of infinity than actual infinity would.* But as a subset of the total number of variant universes, including all of the ones that never had an Enterprise-D, a Starfleet (by whatever name or character), or even intelligent life on the Federation's founding worlds, it was really an very, very tiny set we were seeing. And 800,000 (or whatever Wesley said) would really be an insignificant portion of that.
(*Douglas Adams paraphasing seems to be at full, lately.
A subset of infinity is still infinity, isn't it?
But that isn't what it is. There is a finite amount of stuff in the universe - particles, energy, etc - its just a freaking HUGE amount of it. Since each parallel universe is presumably the result of one piece of that stuff collapsing a probability wave in a different way, there is still a finite number of parallel universes - just an even HUGER number. Which is why I paraphrase Adams by saying that it would give a better impression of infinity than actual infinity would. Because you couldn't see the other side of actual infinity, it would have no perceivable size, and would just be boring. Or, to put that in terms of these parallel universes, there would be an infinite number of parallel universes that are practically indistinguishable from your own in your "local group" of probability sets. Again, pretty boring. We need Borg diamonds and Klingons in pretty pink ships and Cardassians on the bridge of Imperial Excelsior-class ships. That's when it gets interesting. And thankfully, that is also supported by current science. Sorta. Kinda.
NOT infinite. It can still only be based on the movements of a huge but finite number of pieces of what I called "stuff".
No. There is a finite volume of space at any given time, and there are smallest meaningful units of matter, energy, and time.
ITL those are incredible. Wonderful. Inspiring!
I was going to post in this thread that much as I enjoyed some MU eps the whole idea is pretty tacky and I will be glad to see it not revived. BUT. ITL's post just completely changed my mind on this as these people look fantastic in MU gear! Sulu looks particularly like MU Sulu.
I was going to post in this thread that much as I enjoyed some MU eps the whole idea is pretty tacky and I will be glad to see it not revived. BUT. ITL's post just completely changed my mind on this as these people look fantastic in MU gear! Sulu looks particularly like MU Sulu.
Not unless the universe is infinite! HA!
Then there would be no limit to the possible arrangement of matter...because there would be an infinite amount of it! And an infinite amount of states for it to occupy!
Of course, if that is the case...I recently learned that (at least according to one theory) that every possible arrangement of matter would be repeated in such a universe...an infinite number of times!
So that *our own universe* would contain within itself, what we would call...parallel Earth's...parallel version of history!
And throw in the idea parallel *quantum* realities...and then the idea of multiple infinite Big Bangs creating an infinite number multiple universes (which themselves are infinite in size) - some of them almost exactly like ours, with an alternate you and me (or not, depending)...and then add the theory that new universes are being created when black holes are formed...it's gives me a headache! But besides that, it says that the multiverse contains are an infinity of infinities that are full of infinities...
(I just wanna find the version of my life where I am rich...and taller...and science has perfected immortality...)
You mean "Not if", and it isn't, and we can demonstrate that mathematically and scientifically. So the rest of what you are saying is moot. Sorry. And I mean that sorry. What you describe might be a lot cooler in a lot of ways. But it just isn't so.
You can actually do the math yourself. I have. It isn't even particularly hard math. I can't figure out why anyone in the last few hundred years has postulated that the universe is infinite in the first place.It wouldn't be the first time scientists and mathematicians got it wrong...
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I think Orci in an interview explicitly ruled out a nu-Mirror Universe being involved in the new film series.
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