The difference between 6 & 7 has nothing to do with skepticism.
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The difference between 6 & 7 has nothing to do with skepticism.
Or finding yourself in a soap kitchen getting free soup (if you're homeless/a drug addict).
Damned atheists, doing drugs because nothing matters anyway and then we have to pay for their food!
When did that happen? Perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly but I thought you were a believer when I first came to this BBS. If I'm wrong, my apologies; no offence meant.
The people who believe in ghosts and spirits doesn't really see the necessity of a creator. From what I know (and I know a little too much about that for my own sanity) they believe in something else, in a form of energy and in cycles of life and death. Not in a creator. And yeah, for them, the spirit is everything.
They don't try to find "a fisrt cause".
I'm kind of surprised about your position, TheGodBen since I could swear I remember you complaining about the power of the Catholic Church some time ago in TNZ. Do you think the Catholic Church has done more good or bad in Ireland? Or aren't you catholic?
Perhaps not. But the implication was, I used to be a #6--that is to say I simply "enjoyed life" as you put it, but as I've aged I've become more learned, experienced, and thus more cynical about religious figures and their would-be deities. In turn I've also become a huge religious skeptic and it's pretty much nullified any thought there might be of a God.
This really has a lot more to do with my views on religion itself and the exclusivity of "religious," "faith," "belief," and "God" and would make a lot more sense given the rest of my original post that I omitted after I deemed it more TNZ appropriate.
But to put it perspective, take the common skeptists' position that "There was a Jesus, but all he was really good for was making chairs." To me, the fact that any would-be almighty entity (as defined by the appropriate Christan texts) would allow billions of people to run around thinking otherwise is pretty definitive proof one doesn't exists.
I am one of those people you are thinking of. If anyone wants to 'butcher' me for what I believe, then they can of course try, but frankly they'd be wasting their time.
I know faith is not logical in the strictest sense. And what's more, I don't care. I believe in God because I have faith that He is looking out for me. And that His Son died on the cross for my sins. Does it offend the rest of you people that I've said this? I'm very sorry, that was not my intention. But I can't deny what I believe.
Why do we all have to get mean about it, though? This isn't TNZ, after all...since nobody here is being savaged for being an atheist, why should the reverse happen?
Faith may be unscientific and even, in a sense, illogical. Fine. I can see why people might think that. But in the end, the whole point of faith is belief in things that are NOT seen.
And this may not mean anything to any of you but I am still a huge Rush fan even though I am a Christian and thus many of their lyrics run counter to my beliefs. I don't care, I like them anyway.
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^ Now THAT's a miracle. 
I could be a Protestant. Or a Muslim. Or an atheist that's trying to prove that theism by itself isn't worthy of rancour, it's the theists (and atheists) that act like jerks because of their beliefs (or lack thereof) that deserve our scorn.
I'm a 6.
I see what you are saying, but I think the 7 point list is talking about belief in a deity, rather than a belief in any particular religious interpretation of God.
I wasn't even thinking about religion when I assigned myself to it. If the list had been talking about God particularly as understood by Christians, then like you i'd be a hard 7 because as you say the whole notion disproves itself quite easily by constantly contradicting itself. I think that would go for lots of other people who picked 6.
In fact, given the content of the first post, I think it's not particularly appropriate to mention religion in the thread title at all.
Eh?
If you are a 6 - a "de facto atheist" - then why did you say this?
Because he was trying to make a point.
A point he explained in the next post.
A point he explained in the next post.
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