Obama flip - flops on gay marriage could be awkard moment

[Amaris]

... penis.

 

[datagal]

Please, after all these decades of living amoung people of color the American public was/is still divided on having a Black president to the point they STILL question his birth certificate. Do you honestly believe even if Obama did put his foot down, that a gay marriage bill will pass?

What do you think?

All I can say is: this is exactly the type of thoughtful and well-reasoned response that my post deserves.

You really do know how to go very deep I must say.
(I finally got it).

 

[exodus]

Deep Dicking?

 

[Broccoli]

That's what she said!

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I GUARANTEE IT.

 

[exodus]

Banky?

 

[datagal]

You guys do know that we're ruining DarthTom's thread, right?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

You guys do know that we're ruining DarthTom's thread, right?

Nah, that happened with post #1.

Also, I love it when you call people "babe."

 

[Roger Wilco]

So, has New York instituted mandatory buttsecks yet?

 

[Mr Silver]

So, has New York instituted mandatory buttsecks yet?

Now you are just fudging your way through this thread

 

[DarthTom]

You guys do know that we're ruining DarthTom's thread, right?

Nah, that happened with post #1.

Trekbbs

Misc is NOT TNZ. Discussion is to be civil in here.

Civil means just that. It means NO INSULTING.

 

[Hound of UIster]

I don't think your post has any rights here.

Perhaps you should go to MA and ask them to extend the same trolling and flaming protections enjoyed by registered users here to individual user posts.

 

[exodus]

You guys do know that we're ruining DarthTom's thread, right?

Nah, that happened with post #1.

Trekbbs

Misc is NOT TNZ. Discussion is to be civil in here.

Civil means just that. It means NO INSULTING.

You're trying to advicate gay rights and you can't handle one sarcastic remark?

You can't handle one remark and you're jumping on Obama for not being firm on gay marriage and standing up to the flack from the nation he'll get from it?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

In any case, I think Anderson Cooper nailed it - claiming that President Obama was posturing on this issue.

Oh and BTW - President Obama likes to claim he doesn't 'posture,' on the issues when it's clear as day that he does.

It's funny watching a guy who consistently refuses to answer straightforward questions and address other's arguments in favor of repeating his challenged or disproven talking points complain about people behaving like politicians. At least politicians have the excuse of having to walk a fine line to secure reelection. What's your excuse?

You guys do know that we're ruining DarthTom's thread, right?

Nah, that happened with post #1.

Trekbbs

Misc is NOT TNZ. Discussion is to be civil in here.

Civil means just that. It means NO INSULTING.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the rules work. Your ridiculous arguments don't get a pass just because you're in Miscellaneous now. People just can't resort to overt flames against you.

 

[Danoz]

It is not a flip-flop. It is clear he personally supports gay marriage and equal rights for homosexuals in general but has stated that gay marriage is a matter best left to the states. How he chooses to use his power as executive is not necessarily indicative of his personal beliefs. I don't know why this is hard for some people to grasp.

Were I to become President, I would not issue Executive Orders forcing everyone to become atheist, polyamorous Minecraft players. That's because I can separate my personal beliefs from policy decisions. What you personally believe may not make for good public policy or may not have the political will behind it to be achieved. I suspect the latter is largely the case here.

Even announcing your support for a position, as President, can make you look weak if the broad support isn't there. It's all about optics. Obama knows Congress is not going to try to legalize gay marriage so there isn't much point in him pressing the issue. It will cost him politically and gain him very little.

As a strong Obama supporter, I would have to say I disagree. Obama's been decidedly weak in his outspokenness and willingness to fight for the gay and lesbian community and has wavered through terminology about his "personal feelings" on gay marriage and civil unions. I agree that his official position is likely political, but I don't think the landscape is so divided among Obama supporters (and potential Obama supporters) as to justify his wishy washy opinion-- which has done more to marginalize the population that came out to vote for him than to move their rights forward. I think his gradual shift back to the left is, again, political. I like Obama, but I think people have a right to be disappointed by the pandering of their "change" candidate.

 

[Amaris]

It is not a flip-flop. It is clear he personally supports gay marriage and equal rights for homosexuals in general but has stated that gay marriage is a matter best left to the states. How he chooses to use his power as executive is not necessarily indicative of his personal beliefs. I don't know why this is hard for some people to grasp.

Were I to become President, I would not issue Executive Orders forcing everyone to become atheist, polyamorous Minecraft players. That's because I can separate my personal beliefs from policy decisions. What you personally believe may not make for good public policy or may not have the political will behind it to be achieved. I suspect the latter is largely the case here.

Even announcing your support for a position, as President, can make you look weak if the broad support isn't there. It's all about optics. Obama knows Congress is not going to try to legalize gay marriage so there isn't much point in him pressing the issue. It will cost him politically and gain him very little.

As a strong Obama supporter, I would have to say I disagree. Obama's been decidedly weak in his outspokenness and willingness to fight for the gay and lesbian community and has wavered through terminology about his "personal feelings" on gay marriage and civil unions. I agree that his official position is likely political, but I don't think the landscape is so divided among Obama supporters (and potential Obama supporters) as to justify his wishy washy opinion-- which has done more to marginalize the population that came out to vote for him than to move their rights forward. I think his gradual shift back to the left is, again, political. I like Obama, but I think people have a right to be disappointed by the pandering of their "change" candidate.

It's possible. Then again, he has much more information available at hand, and may have a strategy in effect. Give in one area, make greater gains in another.

 

[Danoz]

It is not a flip-flop. It is clear he personally supports gay marriage and equal rights for homosexuals in general but has stated that gay marriage is a matter best left to the states. How he chooses to use his power as executive is not necessarily indicative of his personal beliefs. I don't know why this is hard for some people to grasp.

Were I to become President, I would not issue Executive Orders forcing everyone to become atheist, polyamorous Minecraft players. That's because I can separate my personal beliefs from policy decisions. What you personally believe may not make for good public policy or may not have the political will behind it to be achieved. I suspect the latter is largely the case here.

Even announcing your support for a position, as President, can make you look weak if the broad support isn't there. It's all about optics. Obama knows Congress is not going to try to legalize gay marriage so there isn't much point in him pressing the issue. It will cost him politically and gain him very little.

As a strong Obama supporter, I would have to say I disagree. Obama's been decidedly weak in his outspokenness and willingness to fight for the gay and lesbian community and has wavered through terminology about his "personal feelings" on gay marriage and civil unions. I agree that his official position is likely political, but I don't think the landscape is so divided among Obama supporters (and potential Obama supporters) as to justify his wishy washy opinion-- which has done more to marginalize the population that came out to vote for him than to move their rights forward. I think his gradual shift back to the left is, again, political. I like Obama, but I think people have a right to be disappointed by the pandering of their "change" candidate.

It's possible. Then again, he has much more information available at hand, and may have a strategy in effect. Give in one area, make greater gains in another.

Quite frankly, I swallowed the "more information at hand" argument into the lead up of the Iraq War, so I don't think American citizens should have to buy that bullshit from any U.S. president in my opinion. I certainly won't.

 

[Amaris]

Quite frankly, I swallowed the "more information at hand" argument into the lead up of the Iraq War, so I don't think American citizens should have to buy that bullshit from any U.S. president in my opinion. I certainly won't.

You're talking about a war. This isn't a war. This is a push forward on a civil rights matter. I want to see what Obama's going to do.