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Bad news for 2012

I find the sheer number of people who are not involved in television production, and who are not experts in the differences between British and American production practices, armchair quarterbacking and pontificating on everything that's wrong with the system, and relying upon rumors to do so, fairly well amusing.

Yeah, I'm sure my 2:1 in Film and Media, as well as years working in video production obviosly mean I don't know shit about the media industry. :rolleyes:

Or that I did a National Diploma in Media Production while at college and then Broadcast Journalism while at University means I know bugger all about the state of the media here and abroad.

I find the sheer number of people who are not involved in television production, and who are not experts in the differences between British and American production practices, armchair quarterbacking and pontificating on everything that's wrong with the system, and relying upon rumors to do so, fairly well amusing.

Yeah, I'm sure my 2:1 in Film and Media, as well as years working in video production obviosly mean I don't know shit about the media industry. :rolleyes:

Don't worry, I'm going to keep that post handy for the next time Sci goes on about something he isn't an expert in :lol:

But I thought he was an expert on everything, or to put it a better way, anything you can search for on the internet, which to be honest does mean everything!

On the subject in hand. I suspect there is something not right about the way Who is being treated by BBC One (the split seasons etc) and we're not all privy to it, but until something comes out for sure, I'm going to just give them a benefit of the doubt and put it down to Government interference with the Licence Fee and the like and the Governors of the BBC Trust don't want it having to great a percentage of the overall Dramatic budget for programme making.
 
Maybe this will calm some people



Apparently there have been a few posts from reliable sources on what the cause for this whole 2012 and Danny Cohen controversy is. Here's a link to a site that re-reported on it


http://doctorwhospoilers.com/2011/4473


The last week or so has seen something of a panic spread through some Doctor Who fans all sparked by a fairly damning article in Private Eye claiming that all was not hunky-dory in the production team, mentioning that problems included “…re-ordering episodes and finding creative reasons for spectacular monsters and CGI creations to be given as little screen-time as possible to save cash…”. All of which will sound eerily familiar to anyone who’s read The Writer’s Taleor for that matter knows anything about the production of the series since 1963.






The aspect of the article that war responsible for the loudest wailing and the most gnashing of teeth was the claim that BBC wales had proposed a cut-down series for 2012. It soon emerged that while there would be a full series of thirteen episodes produced in 2012 though not all of those episodes would be transmitted in 2012.




According to a reliable poster the sole reason for the delay in the start of production on Series Seven is simply to move the transmissions to darker times of year.




The same poster goes on to assure that Danny Cohen’s comments at Church and Media Conference on Tuesday that “He [Moffat] needs enough time to get that [Sherlock] done and then start work on the next series of Doctor Who,” was joking. Yes, he doesn’t sound like he’s joking. But, like someone not a million miles away from this keyboard, Cohen apparently has “a very, very dry sense of humor and deadpan delivery, and unless you can see him say it as well (preferably in close-up), you can’t tell.”




It certainly looks like the production and transmission pattern used for the 2011 series will be repeated for Series Seven, it’s just being moved five months further down the calendar. Instead of starting filming in September as Series Six did, Series Seven will probably commence in February. And as with the current series the transmission of Series Seven will be broken up in to two blocks of episodes, the first should start broadcasting in October/November 2012 with the second broadcasting in February/March 2013 with the Christmas Special keeping its usual airdate, which will now be mid-series.




The poster goes on to note that as ever, the BBC hasn’t officially commissioned any further episodes. The BBC rarely commissions a programme for more than one series at a time. However, unofficially it is pretty much a certainty that the series will be commissioned for at least another two years.




So, there you have it. The shocking news is that we’re going to have to wait about as long between Series Six and Seven as we did between Series Five and Six.
Same waiting time but just different times of the year now.
 
That doesn't make sense, they still only brodcast half a season in 2012 which is what we've been all going on about, this is just putting a different spin on it.
 
That doesn't make sense, they still only brodcast half a season in 2012 which is what we've been all going on about, this is just putting a different spin on it.

Well, it was always going to be either that or an 18-month break before it, seeing as they (again, for the umpteenth time) *physically cannot shoot this autumn for a spring showing because they're moving studios*

And, had they aired all 13 this year in spring and then said "oh, we're moving to autumn so it'll be 18 months till next season" - it'd have been 1985 all over again.

Even the Beeb knew better than to try that one.

Fuck's sake, enough of us saw how it would be when the season 6 split was announced, and were happy with it- how come it's suddenly a problem when they tell us we were right?

Fucking hell... Am I the only one already sick of this? Before TIA I was listening to the series 5 score and thinking "I ought to go back to writing some DW" but a week of the bitching on the internet (not just here, but facebook and livejournal and SF news sites...) has got me back to "thank fuck I'm out of that world."
 
Well, it was always going to be either that or an 18-month break before it, seeing as they (again, for the umpteenth time) *physically cannot shoot this autumn for a spring showing because they're moving studios*

So what's stopping them showing 13 episodes from Sept-Nov or 14 from Oct to Dec 2012?

And the stench of crap off this statement is positively making my head spin.

"Yes, he doesn’t sound like he’s joking. But ... Cohen apparently has a very, very dry sense of humor and deadpan delivery, and unless you can see him say it as well (preferably in close-up), you can’t tell."
 
I find the sheer number of people who are not involved in television production, and who are not experts in the differences between British and American production practices, armchair quarterbacking and pontificating on everything that's wrong with the system, and relying upon rumors to do so, fairly well amusing.

Yeah, I'm sure my 2:1 in Film and Media, as well as years working in video production obviosly mean I don't know shit about the media industry. :rolleyes:

Or that I did a National Diploma in Media Production while at college and then Broadcast Journalism while at University means I know bugger all about the state of the media here and abroad.

Yeah, I'm sure my 2:1 in Film and Media, as well as years working in video production obviosly mean I don't know shit about the media industry. :rolleyes:

Don't worry, I'm going to keep that post handy for the next time Sci goes on about something he isn't an expert in :lol:

But I thought he was an expert on everything, or to put it a better way, anything you can search for on the internet, which to be honest does mean everything!

You know, I'm not the one claiming to know better than the actual producers of Doctor Who what their motivations are or how much prep time they'd need or what-have-you. That's been my point -- a bunch of people in this thread have been claiming to know better than the professionals who actually run Doctor Who.

Someone here may have some degrees or have worked in video production, but unless you've actually worked on Doctor Who, you really don't know that what Moffat and Company are saying is in any way untrue or that there are problems they're covering up. If you're not there, you don't know, and it's silly to pretend that you do.

I know you find my posts irritating, Dimesdan, but I'm not the one who's been claiming unfounded expertise in this thread.

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The money quote from Samaurai8472's Doctor Who Spoilers link:

So, there you have it. The shocking news is that we’re going to have to wait about as long between Series Six and Seven as we did between Series Five and Six.
 
I know you find my posts irritating, Dimesdan, but I'm not the one who's been claiming unfounded expertise in this thread.

Brilliant. Utter utter brilliance, you may have a point, a very good and vallied point if it was for the minor detail that I have posted once in this thread and in that post I haven't claimed any unfounded expertise and nor would I, having a bit of a background in the sector means I do know a slight bit about it and I was just putting in my two pence in and countering your highly unfounded comment that Servo was replying to.
 
The money quote from Samaurai8472's Doctor Who Spoilers link:

So, there you have it. The shocking news is that we’re going to have to wait about as long between Series Six and Seven as we did between Series Five and Six.

Of course it wasn't that long ago they were talking about "never being more than a few months away from New Who"...

(Are we supposed to believe that the move to the new Studio suddenly snuck up on them without warning?)
 
The money quote from Samaurai8472's Doctor Who Spoilers link:

Of course it wasn't that long ago they were talking about "never being more than a few months away from New Who"...

(Are we supposed to believe that the move to the new Studio suddenly snuck up on them without warning?)

I do not know and I'm not going to jump to any conclusions. But either way, this is not really a big deal.
 
The money quote from Samaurai8472's Doctor Who Spoilers link:

Of course it wasn't that long ago they were talking about "never being more than a few months away from New Who"...

(Are we supposed to believe that the move to the new Studio suddenly snuck up on them without warning?)

Evidently not - the scheduling of it was partly because of the move to autumn, and by extension the season 6 split was because of that...

Oh, and, working in video production is not the same as in TV production, because the reasons for scheduling are way different...
 
Here's what I don't understand - why is it such an earth-shattering tragedy that we only get 7 episodes in 2012? We'll get the full slate in two batches in 2013 because of the anniversary, which I would much rather have than an 18-month break.
 
Here's what I don't understand - why is it such an earth-shattering tragedy that we only get 7 episodes in 2012? We'll get the full slate in two batches in 2013 because of the anniversary, which I would much rather have than an 18-month break.

EX-FUCKING-ACTLY!
 
if this leads to some specials, especially with a past Doctor, then i have no problem with getting only half a season next year.
 
What's all the fuss about? It's only the tv series we're talking about. I'm sure the books, audios and comics will still be coming out as usual, and as they form the vast majority of Doctor Who content, I doubt I'll notice the difference.:techman:
 
Here's what I don't understand - why is it such an earth-shattering tragedy that we only get 7 episodes in 2012? We'll get the full slate in two batches in 2013 because of the anniversary, which I would much rather have than an 18-month break.
Correct me if i'm wrong but we will get 6 episodes of series 7 in the first half of 2013 and 7 episodes of series 8 in the second half of 2013?
So we are only getting half a season next year and then back to the regular split seasons the year after except they are different seasons instead of the same season.
I'm getting pissed off that they call series 7 a full series when we will only get half of it next year.
 
Here's what I don't understand - why is it such an earth-shattering tragedy that we only get 7 episodes in 2012? We'll get the full slate in two batches in 2013 because of the anniversary, which I would much rather have than an 18-month break.

Would you rather have a nine month break followed by 7 episodes or a nine month break followed by 14 episodes?

I've yet to hear anyone offer up a reason why there couldn't have been a full series in late 2012, followed by another full series in 2013.
 
Other than pure entitlement, you mean? People around here are acting like it's a personal, intentional insult and that they deserve a full series in 2012.

Why aren't they doing it? Well, we know Moffatt has Sherlock, for one thing. We know Matt Smith wants to do other projects. We know there's a budget crunch, and this allows them to save money for the anniversary year. Perhaps (if there is one) the new companion can't start at the normal time.

Would I prefer a full series in 2012? Of course! But it's not the end of the world, people!
 
I'm sure BBC America won't be happy after the $7m they spent advertising the current series (and paying for the Utah shooting for the first two episodes).

That money could have been spent making 7 more episodes.

What a joke the BBC is. Seriously, do they need a PayPal tip jar or something? They can't even manage to produce those jokingly small half-seasons of their most profitable show? Yeesh.

That's my take as well. They need to get their act together. So, ok, half a season in one year won't be the end of the world. But, certainly, they could keep Who production and broadcasting fairly stable and regular!

I'm not blaming Moffat here, presumably these are decisions above him. But, it shows a lack of professionalism and organization to muck about like this with a top show.

Mr Awe
 
I'm sure BBC America won't be happy after the $7m they spent advertising the current series (and paying for the Utah shooting for the first two episodes).

That money could have been spent making 7 more episodes.

What a joke the BBC is. Seriously, do they need a PayPal tip jar or something? They can't even manage to produce those jokingly small half-seasons of their most profitable show? Yeesh.

That's my take as well. They need to get their act together. So, ok, half a season in one year won't be the end of the world. But, certainly, they could keep Who production and broadcasting fairly stable and regular!

I'm not blaming Moffat here, presumably these are decisions above him. But, it shows a lack of professionalism and organization to muck about like this with a top show.

Mr Awe

Don't expect British TV to work like US TV. Very rarely to you get regular, predictable, yearly schedules. They don't have fixed slots for new series starting, they produce a variety of returning series, mini-series, "event" series, 2 parters, films and one offs and not regular September-May seasons like American TV so schedules work round numerous things. Not to mention now is a time of a lot of cost cutting and job losses, so as much as I think there's more to it than is being said, I don't think you can say it's lack of professionalism or organisation, more like difficult times with a lot to work around.
 
I don't get why they don't just have a 8-10 episode season then in late 2012 and call that series 7 with the Christmas Special in December. Then if BBC want to keep the show in the September-November slot then have a big special to celebrate the 50th year in Easter 2013 and another 10 episode season (8th) followed by the christmas special.

If the BBC wants to save money I would be happy to have just 10 episode seasons + The standard X mas special from now on.
 
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