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6x07 A Good Man Goes To War (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS!

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I wonder, then, if perhaps there is significance to River's comments about a Timelord's cells in "The Impossible Astronaut." Why was that Silent there?
Ooh, interesting. I like this too.

The problem I have with the Doctor raising an army of allies like this is...

...why hasn't he ever done this before?
I think that's part of the point, really. The Doctor didn't used to do this, and now he does. That's part of the problem, and River points it out to him: "Back when you started, would you have ever believed you would turn into this?"

Actually there was a re-run of "The Eleventh Hour" on last night so I watched it through again. And really there are hints of this kind of issue there from the start. On his first day, 11 didn't just stop the Atraxi destroying Earth - as Fat One specifically reminisces, he called them back just to scold them. Amy and Rory both thought this was a bit crazy at the time. He used the power of his reputation to scare them. That's the precise opposite of what 10 did on his first day - 10 brought down Harriet Jones' supposedly utopian government (according to 9) rather than do exactly what 11 did right here.

I think what they're getting at here is that the Doctor used to be about exploring, and if he happened to come across some bad guys in his travels, he'd put the situation right, and then carry on his way. The exploring was his focus. But as things moved on, he changed his focus. Perhaps starting as early as 7, the Doctor shifted from just stopping the bad guys if he happened to find some, to actively seeking them out to be stopped, and well, a bit of exploration is always nice along the way, but that's not really the focus. And that is what has led to the current situation.

As I've said, I think this is absolutely deliberate on the part of the writers, and in fact if you look at the details (in a way that the vast majority of viewers probably don't), they have played fair with us, as regards slowly leading us up to this point and showing a natural progression. This "new attitude" of the Doctor's hasn't just come out of nowhere.

In a way, I feel like the audience is also "to blame." In the 21st century, TV viewers expect a bit more flash and bang with their TV. A crotchety old man bobbling along explaining about The Aztecs to children isn't the way things are done these days - viewers wouldn't watch it. So the writers moved Doctor Who in a more action-mystery direction, to suit what viewers expect (I'm talking about the general public here, not hardcore Who fans necessarily). And having done that, the writers are now showing us that while that might be a good idea for the show, it's not a good idea for the character, and it will have consequences.
 
Great episode! There are still some unanswered questions though:

-Who does River really kill that justifies her imprisonment?
-What ultimately causes the Doctor to fall greater than ever before?
-What's the significance of the Doctor looking at the crib and making a connection to his eventual (?) romance with River Song?
-Just a guess here. There has to be more to Lorna Bucket's story. Why did she have River's prayer leaf? There has to be a connection to River Song ...
-What is ultimately going to happen to Amy? Judging from various hints dropped so far, this may be her last series on Doctor Who. How will she be written out?
-Also, what is going to happen to Rory?

Can't wait for episode eight. There's so much more left for them to do with this storyline!
 
She made the prayer leaf for Amy. She didn't just happen to have it with her. There was a scene showing her sew it.
 
She made the prayer leaf for Amy. She didn't just happen to have it with her. There was a scene showing her sew it.

True, but I do still wonder about the significance of that. It seems like one of those things Moffat might drop in there to seemingly be insignificant, only to be important later. Of course, you may be totally right too.
 
I think what they're getting at here is that the Doctor used to be about exploring, and if he happened to come across some bad guys in his travels, he'd put the situation right, and then carry on his way. The exploring was his focus. But as things moved on, he changed his focus. Perhaps starting as early as 7, the Doctor shifted from just stopping the bad guys if he happened to find some, to actively seeking them out to be stopped, and well, a bit of exploration is always nice along the way, but that's not really the focus. And that is what has led to the current situation.
It depends on the Doctor. The second Doctor, for instance, has the lovely line in "The Moonbase" -- "There are some corners of the universe which have bred the most terrible things. Things which act against everything we believe in. They must be fought." Some Doctors, like the second, the seventh, and the eleventh, are more proactive than others, while others are more reactive.
 
-Just a guess here. There has to be more to Lorna Bucket's story. Why did she have River's prayer leaf? There has to be a connection to River Song ...

I think there's more to Lorna, but not necessarily with River. The Doctor is going to the Gamma Forest since that's where Melody Pond is. Lorna is from the Gamma Forest and met the Doctor when she was young (which hasn't happened yet from the Doctor's perspective). I presume the Doctor's going to meet her soon.
 
Actually there was a re-run of "The Eleventh Hour" on last night so I watched it through again. And really there are hints of this kind of issue there from the start. On his first day, 11 didn't just stop the Atraxi destroying Earth - as Fat One specifically reminisces, he called them back just to scold them.

Well considering they were going to kill billions just to get one prisoner and were leaving while thinking that it was okay to do that, I think its nice of someone to point out that its you know WRONG TO DO THAT.

Amy and Rory both thought this was a bit crazy at the time.

No only Rory though it was crazy and that was more becuase they had already tried to destroy the planet.

In a way, I feel like the audience is also "to blame." In the 21st century, TV viewers expect a bit more flash and bang with their TV. A crotchety old man bobbling along explaining about The Aztecs to children isn't the way things are done these days - viewers wouldn't watch it.

Um, didn't they drop that in the show's early years you know BACK IN THE 1960s?
 
-Just a guess here. There has to be more to Lorna Bucket's story. Why did she have River's prayer leaf? There has to be a connection to River Song ...

I think there's more to Lorna, but not necessarily with River. The Doctor is going to the Gamma Forest since that's where Melody Pond is. Lorna is from the Gamma Forest and met the Doctor when she was young (which hasn't happened yet from the Doctor's perspective). I presume the Doctor's going to meet her soon.

Was there something in the episode that stated that The Doctor hadn't met Lorna yet?
 
-Just a guess here. There has to be more to Lorna Bucket's story. Why did she have River's prayer leaf? There has to be a connection to River Song ...

I think there's more to Lorna, but not necessarily with River. The Doctor is going to the Gamma Forest since that's where Melody Pond is. Lorna is from the Gamma Forest and met the Doctor when she was young (which hasn't happened yet from the Doctor's perspective). I presume the Doctor's going to meet her soon.

Was there something in the episode that stated that The Doctor hadn't met Lorna yet?
MElody was just born, and kidnapped, so, it stands to reason he hasn't been there regarding her yet, so, unless it was a totally unrelated event that took him there, then she hasn't met him yet (as of the end of this episode), but, since he's in the TARDIS alone, he could well have already been there by the beginning of Ep 8 regarding Melody.
 
I think there's more to Lorna, but not necessarily with River. The Doctor is going to the Gamma Forest since that's where Melody Pond is. Lorna is from the Gamma Forest and met the Doctor when she was young (which hasn't happened yet from the Doctor's perspective). I presume the Doctor's going to meet her soon.

Was there something in the episode that stated that The Doctor hadn't met Lorna yet?
MElody was just born, and kidnapped, so, it stands to reason he hasn't been there regarding her yet, so, unless it was a totally unrelated event that took him there, then she hasn't met him yet (as of the end of this episode), but, since he's in the TARDIS alone, he could well have already been there by the beginning of Ep 8 regarding Melody.

He told her "Of course I remember you" and told her the story of how they met when she was little... didn't he?
 
He told her "Of course I remember you" and told her the story of how they met when she was little... didn't he?
No, he just went along with what she was saying and said "Didn't we run?" or something similar. He had to ask someone else who she had been.
 
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-Just a guess here. There has to be more to Lorna Bucket's story. Why did she have River's prayer leaf? There has to be a connection to River Song ...

I think there's more to Lorna, but not necessarily with River. The Doctor is going to the Gamma Forest since that's where Melody Pond is. Lorna is from the Gamma Forest and met the Doctor when she was young (which hasn't happened yet from the Doctor's perspective). I presume the Doctor's going to meet her soon.

Was there something in the episode that stated that The Doctor hadn't met Lorna yet?

As soon as she died, he asked who she was. Considering he's literally about to go to the place she's from, it seems a reasonable inference that he hasn't met her yet as opposed to simply having forgotten her (has the Doctor ever forgotten anyone?).
 
In 900+ years, I'm sure someone's been forgotten by him.

Though I found they were kind of vague about whether the Doctor had yet to experience the events in the Gamma Forest from Lorna's childhood. When she was telling him she was him as a child the Doctor said "oh, yes, we ran" or something similar, which is a pretty good guess considering the only character in the episode she told the story to was Amy, and I didn't get the impression that when reunited with the Doctor Amy said "oh by the way, I met some soldier who remembers running with you when she was a little girl." So either he has experienced those events, or the Gamma Forest is famous for running, and that was a safe guess on his part.
 
He said that because wherever he goes, who ever he's with, they run.

He hasn't met her yet in his time line.
 
In 900+ years, I'm sure someone's been forgotten by him.

Though I found they were kind of vague about whether the Doctor had yet to experience the events in the Gamma Forest from Lorna's childhood. When she was telling him she was him as a child the Doctor said "oh, yes, we ran" or something similar, which is a pretty good guess considering the only character in the episode she told the story to was Amy, and I didn't get the impression that when reunited with the Doctor Amy said "oh by the way, I met some soldier who remembers running with you when she was a little girl." So either he has experienced those events, or the Gamma Forest is famous for running, and that was a safe guess on his part.
Running has been a theme in Dr. Who, especially the padded stories/episodes, from the beginning (Run down this corridor/cave, get captured, espcape, run down that corridor....) ModernWho has made a point of mentioning it, at least through Donna, I believe. And at this point, he's still 700+, I think.
 
Too bad conception inside the Time Vortex rules out van Gogh as a possible father.
van Gogh took a trip in the TARDIS with Amy and the Doctor to the 21st century gallery showing. There he was allowed to overhear bow tie guy describe him as the greatest freaking artist ever.

....


Just sayin.


Well considering they were going to kill billions just to get one prisoner and were leaving while thinking that it was okay to do that,

When I first read this I thought you were referring to the Doctor killing billions of cybermen to find out where Amy was.
 
And at this point, he's still 700+, I think.

The Doctor has consistently given his age throughout nuWho as 900 and over, with him most recentally saying he was 909 in The Impossible Astronaut.

It was said that he's had the TARDIS for 700 years in The Doctor's Wife.
 
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