Question re: Original f/x vs. TOS-R...

[Gary7]

OPINION does not equate to FACT. Remember that.

Yes, some of the TOS-R VFX is significantly better than the original VFX. But it's by no means indisputable. I think the good qualities of the original VFX that some people here pointed out have a lot of merit. Yes, it's also their opinions... but backed with sound reasoning. I concur with it. And they're not saying the TOS-R VFX is absolutely lousy, ready for burying in the backyard as an indisputable fact, are they?

 

[Doug Otte]

...but the aliens still look like the product of some cheap disco-esque acid trip.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Doug

 

[BlobVanDam]

...but the aliens still look like the product of some cheap disco-esque acid trip.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Doug

Maybe it's not, if you did too much LDS in the 60s.

 

[Doug Otte]

...but the aliens still look like the product of some cheap disco-esque acid trip.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Doug

Maybe it's not, if you did too much LDS in the 60s.

1) It was the 70s in my case;
2) It wasn't too much - just the right amount!

 

[Forbin]

I always thought Loskene looked like... an alien, who lives in an extremely different enivronment. I thought it was pretty darn creative.

 

[BillJ]

I always thought Loskene looked like... an alien, who lives in an extremely different enivronment. I thought it was pretty darn creative.

Dammit Forbin, creativity has no place in this discussion!

 

[Maurice]

What I have said is that the TOS-R is technically better in every way, and this is a technological FACT.

Ahhh, but the definition of "better" is where it gets subjective. The TOS-R effects might utilize more technologically advanced systems to create them, but advanced does not automatically equate to "better".

Hell, the fact of the matter is VFX people STILL occasionally use physical models instead of CGI because sometimes they are "better" for the shot, just as sometimes flying a ship in a straight line is better than having it waggle its wingtips.

 

[Captain Robert April]

That shot in "Who Mourns For Adonais?" puts a major kink in the "better" argument.

Put the planet lower in the frame so that it's not overpowering Apollo's hand, then it's better, but with everything just tossed in there, it doesn't matter if it was done on a multimillion dollar computer system or by a five year old with scissors and Elmer's glue, IT'S STILL CRAP ON A STICK!

 

[BillJ]

That shot in "Who Mourns For Adonais?" puts a major kink in the "better" argument.

Put the planet lower in the frame so that it's not overpowering Apollo's hand, then it's better, ...

Composition of space shots and the low-poly D-7 are my major beefs with TOS-R. It's like they created all these elements for shots and crammed them all into a shot regardless of whether it worked. Like mentioned above, the planet in Who Mourns for Adonais? overwhelms the ship and the hand.

 

[Noname Given]

That shot in "Who Mourns For Adonais?" puts a major kink in the "better" argument.

Put the planet lower in the frame so that it's not overpowering Apollo's hand, then it's better, ...

Composition of space shots and the low-poly D-7 are my major beefs with TOS-R. It's like they created all these elements for shots and crammed them all into a shot regardless of whether it worked. Like mentioned above, the planet in Who Mourns for Adonais? overwhelms the ship and the hand.

IMO - The worst planet effect they did was in the first season episode Galilleo Seven. That thing (from orbit) didn't look the least bit habitable and all that green glow - ugh

 

[scotpens]

. . . The TOS-R effects might utilize more technologically advanced systems to create them, but advanced does not automatically equate to “better”.

And one needs no more proof of that statement than to compare the crappy CGI creatures of recent Skiffy Channel movies with the stop-motion beasts created by Willis O’Brien and Ray Harryhausen.

 

[Warped9]

In my dreams there is an enhanced TOS, but not the way it was done by CBS. I think it could have been done in a way that would have preserved much of what we already loved as well as introducing some things where they could logically fit. Perhaps it would be more painstaking, but it would have been better.

 

[BillJ]

In my dreams there is an enhanced TOS, but not the way it was done by CBS. I think it could have been done in a way that would have preserved much of what we already loved as well as introducing some things where they could logically fit. Perhaps it would be more painstaking, but it would have been better.

I don't think there is any way to "win" remastering TOS.

 

[sunburn800]

I have to say that In MPO the GCI was hit and miss in TOS, sometimes it worked for me sometimes not and just how long does it take for some people to see that they are being laughed at and not laughed with?

 

[RAMA]

In my dreams there is an enhanced TOS, but not the way it was done by CBS. I think it could have been done in a way that would have preserved much of what we already loved as well as introducing some things where they could logically fit. Perhaps it would be more painstaking, but it would have been better.

I don't think there is any way to "win" remastering TOS.

I've come to this conclusion for some people. I think its better for some of you to bury your heads in the sands so the rest of us can move forward.

 

[Gepard]

Your smug contempt never ceases to amaze me. And by "amaze" I mean "nauseate."

 

[RAMA]

Your smug contempt never ceases to amaze me. And by "amaze" I mean "nauseate."

Its ok, I have more than enough imagination and ability to appreciate the new for any number of purists out there. They can fall by the wayside, I'll still be here. No stodgy old fogey conservative here.

RAMA

 

[Captain Robert April]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight...

 

[JarodRussell]

In my dreams there is an enhanced TOS, but not the way it was done by CBS. I think it could have been done in a way that would have preserved much of what we already loved as well as introducing some things where they could logically fit. Perhaps it would be more painstaking, but it would have been better.

You know, they could have actually made the effort of re-filming the model. But no, CGI, CGI, CGI.

 

[T'Bonz]

Don't get personal, folks.