As far as I know, Scottish independence is also adovcated by the Scottish Green Party and a couple of a smaller left-wing parties whose total vote share (added to the SNP's) would amount to 49% and not 44%.
Scotland to leave the UK?
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As far as I know, Scottish independence is also adovcated by the Scottish Green Party and a couple of a smaller left-wing parties whose total vote share (added to the SNP's) would amount to 49% and not 44%.
Kegg said:
And Turkey! Sort of. It really depends on whether the Turkish Republic is considered a continuation of the Ottoman Empire, I guess. I'm not sure if they undertook all of the Osmans' obligations and such, in the same manner than Russia did for the USSR.
There were far fewer countries than there were in 1789, though. But I take the point. The general (if by no means universal) renunciation of violence in the wake of World War II has been more important than actual political and economic integration.
I don't think I'd suggest, which I might have accidentally done, that the Community and the Union were the only things keeping Europeans from killing each other in the last sixty-six years.
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Turkey is a lovely country and very much worth a visit.
Turkey is a lovely country and very much worth a visit.
I could have also counted Turkey, but then I would also have counted Austria. Sort of the same deal -multinational imperial monarchy suceeded by a smaller, national, republican polity. Opted to stick with the countries that were definitely new, though.
Depends what you mean by 'obligations' there. It's not like the President of Turkey is the caliph of the Sunni world, but then, secular republic, goes with the territory.
Yeah, that was my first time voting, along with the local and European elections. I lost all three. Not the best start to my experiences as a voter.
I don't want that either. There are areas where I would support further integration, but I don't want Europe to become one like the US. Why would I want to become part of an organisation that would attack us if we tried to leave? The EU works by finding consensus between all nations, which is difficult, inefficient and often weak, but it's better than imposing the will of people far away onto people with a different culture.
No, that's a triumph of nations respecting cultural differences and sovereignty. Most wars in Europe were caused by rival factions trying to divide up the world in their favour, we have achieved peace (for the most part) by agreeing to not kill one another over land and resources.
It is certainly all too familiar because my parents feel similarly about Northern Ireland. Don't get me wrong, they're not violent Republicans by any stretch of the imagination, but they seem to have some feeling that Northern Ireland is somehow "ours" and that one day we should get it back (even though we never really "owned" it
). They have travelled all over the country but have never even been to NI, and when I asked them why all they could say is that they don't just want to. They've been to mainland Britain and enjoyed themselves, so it's not some anti-Brit sentiment, they just don't want to go to NI while Britain is in charge.But they still recognise that it's not their choice, that the decision to leave the UK can, and should, only be made by the people of Northern Ireland and the majority there don't want that.
What favor would that be?
As for Human Rights, there would obviously be people who did not vote for secession; assuming the people voted at all.
So it's better to let the minority decide? I dunno, I'm lost.
Can you start making sense again please?
And in your world ignoring the Rights of the minority is making sense? Yeah, sure, let's just write off a few thousand or million US citizens. No problem.
And you're suggesting to ignore the rights of the majority. That totally makes sense, too!
/irony
But that's what being out-voted means. Happens every election. The candidates with the MOST votes, wins. If a referendum is put up and passed (here, that means voted for by 2/3 of voters in 2/3 of the seats) then referendum is carried, albeit that we have compulsory enrolment in the elecotral roll for all eligible adultsand compulsory attendence at a place of polling.
The rights of minorties is a smart thing, the rights of the majority spells trouble. - The State should never know better and the French people who got offended at full face veils, were rude. - They said it offended them, to see women oppressed by their faith, so they outlawed the full face veil, to protect a majority who never forgave GBR for helping liberate France... The rights of minorities may be strange to you, but if you had it your way, you'd probably be speaking German right now.
Also, there are many things that are far worse than speaking German. I know from experience. 
Indeed. I think I discussed this above thread, dual citizenship with the option of repatriation - or, if the minority are concentrated in a given geographic area, containing those in that area on the American side.
In either case, the violation of one's human rights isn't really at issue. Not winning in the polls isn't the same thing as having one's personal dress regulated - and frankly, the entire burqa nonsense has never sat well with me. I see the point when dealing with checkpoints and security (got to be easy to do identity theft if you're in a hijab), but the more general regulation against Islamic dress discussed/adopted in various countries isn't something I'm a fan of.
You didn't let me finish...Also, there are many things that are far worse than speaking German. I know from experience.
I meant to say, 'you'd be speaking German, and where your house is now would be an Concentration Camp instead'.
Germany is great, so are the Germans, but; 'Screw the Third Riech!'
Considering the lack of any detailed concept and plans about how Europe was supposed to look and be administered after a German victory in WWII and the contradictions between the few ideas that actually existed, I highly, highly doubt anyone could make such an absurd claim, much less you, iBender, judging from your repeated demonstrations that your grasp of European history is sadly lacking.
How does this have anything to do with why the rights of minorities sound wacky?
What in Gosh's name does this have to do with Charles de Gaulle hating my country's help to free his from the hated Germans?
Please Gosh tell me you can understand the points rather than just certain keywords.
I do understand the points but you apparently don't.
It was just a pretty stupid thing to say, is all. I chose to be a bit more educational about it than I normally would because we're not in TNZ.
