That is also a good point: this is Fringe, after all, so unexpected things can occur. Although we are used to the concept of "never having existed" from other sci-fi, they are free to do some new variation on that: he existed, but now he doesn't, and no one remembers him. Or maybe even some other option. I'm so used to the first option from many other sci-fi shows (including Star Trek) that I automatically discounted the fact that they could be doing something totally different ... we'll just have to wait until September or October or whenever to find out.
Fringe: "The Day We Died" - Season finale 3/22 on FOX
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I really think that the he existed, but now he doesn't and no one remembers him option is the most likely one, and really the easiest one to deal with. And IMO if/when he comes back it also has the best storyline possibilities as he tries to convince everyone that he did all this stuff with them and they simply don't remember it.
The "key" (though not one we can figure out with the information we have) is in his line, "I know what the machine is for now" (or something like that). He didn't say what the machine was for: is it a time machine, is it an "I can wipe myself out of existence" machine, is it an "I can make you forget me" machine? Whatever happened to him, he did it to himself -- we just don't know what the machine is actually for.
Big question: Does the ancient manuscript with his image in the machine still exist? Will they look at the image and say, "Who is this guy?" and then go looking for him?
Big question: Does the ancient manuscript with his image in the machine still exist? Will they look at the image and say, "Who is this guy?" and then go looking for him?
Maybe it's only the adult Peter that no one remembers, Maybe when Walter brought Peter over from the other side, he actually did drown in in the icy pond in this "new" (or original?) time line? This way, the rip in the universes would still exist due to Walters actions, but both Peters would be dead.
What I'm suggesting is that perhaps the Watchers saved Peter from drowning precisely so he could grow up and operate the machine and create a "pocket" between universes so that an otherwise unresolvable situation could be mended? Perhaps the Watchers (First People?) built the machine precisely for this reason?
I dunno, what does everybody think?
What I'm suggesting is that perhaps the Watchers saved Peter from drowning precisely so he could grow up and operate the machine and create a "pocket" between universes so that an otherwise unresolvable situation could be mended? Perhaps the Watchers (First People?) built the machine precisely for this reason?
I dunno, what does everybody think?
I like it. It works within the realm of Fringe reasonablity and maintains the conflict between the Walters. However, Olivia would still not remember him at all.
Ooh, good idea! I hadn't thought of that. It's always been really weird that the prime Observer would act so out of character -- maybe now we know why.
Maybe I missed something, but I thought that everybody remembered Peter at first, right after he came out of the machine? But it was only after he "fizzled out" that everybody’s memories were suddenly replaced/erased?
I mean, Olivia clearly recognized him, and nobody else had a "who is this guy" look on their faces, so it wasn't until the last few seconds that they were clueless?
I mean, Olivia clearly recognized him, and nobody else had a "who is this guy" look on their faces, so it wasn't until the last few seconds that they were clueless?
Well, they're going to have to explain how Peter "never existed" but the rips between universes still do. If Peter "never existed" then Walter never lost his son, never brought the other Peter over, etc. If he never did that, then there shouldn't be any damage to the other universe.
But Walternate still told Walter "You destroyed my universe" (or something to that effect). So how did that happen without Peter existing?
I like your theory, especially the part which explains why the Observer interfered in Peter's drowning. Except......the Observer said "he never existed", didn't he? That's different from "he died young".
All of this is making me cross-eyed!!
I have read that he is "still under contract", but I don't remember where I saw it....
Joshua Jackson is still on the show--I'm sure he'll be absent--if absent at all--for an episode or so before they bring him back by undoing whatever it was that erased him from time--like they did with him not being included in the alternate universe episodes.
Let's hope Peter's not relegated to the type of situation Cordelia was at the start of Angel s4.
I expect if they pretty much know it's the final season and they also have a guarantee the complete run of episodes will air, they'll be willing to do some crazy stuff, but I have a hard time imagining Peter will be offscreen for long. He's also my favorite actor in the show, so I'm sure they're taking that into consideration!
I expect if they pretty much know it's the final season and they also have a guarantee the complete run of episodes will air, they'll be willing to do some crazy stuff, but I have a hard time imagining Peter will be offscreen for long. He's also my favorite actor in the show, so I'm sure they're taking that into consideration!
Well, they're going to have to explain how Peter "never existed" but the rips between universes still do. If Peter "never existed" then Walter never lost his son, never brought the other Peter over, etc. If he never did that, then there shouldn't be any damage to the other universe.
But Walternate still told Walter "You destroyed my universe" (or something to that effect). So how did that happen without Peter existing?
I like your theory, especially the part which explains why the Observer interfered in Peter's drowning. Except......the Observer said "he never existed", didn't he? That's different from "he died young".
All of this is making me cross-eyed!!
According to the writers the character played by Nimoy attempted to breach the universes with Walter's help-and that's the revised reason for the rifts and how eents played out. Whatever that means...
Somewhat off topic but relates more to Fringe in general...
I watched the movie RED again last night and I found myself realizing that John Malkovich's character is what Walter Bishop would have been like if he had become black-ops CIA agent instead of brilliant scientist.
I watched the movie RED again last night and I found myself realizing that John Malkovich's character is what Walter Bishop would have been like if he had become black-ops CIA agent instead of brilliant scientist.
