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I finally had time to watch this episode.
Goodbye Stargate
I finally had time to watch this episode.
Goodbye Stargate
Final SGU – Gauntlet - (2x20) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
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10, Wow, this series went out with a bang. It all came together at the end. It's a real shame that it's not going to continue.
I do blame the producers for failing to get things moving earlier on. It all comes back to that. They had their chance and blew it.
Will we ever find out what they intended for the resolution of the finale and the big message?
Mr Awe
I do blame the producers for failing to get things moving earlier on. It all comes back to that. They had their chance and blew it.
Will we ever find out what they intended for the resolution of the finale and the big message?
Mr Awe
Really enjoyed this episode. I like endings that allow the show to never really end in your mind. This way, they're just out there, who knows what happened but so many different things could have.
I do think it's a shame it got cancelled though. There are other shows I enjoyed less that got more episodes and did less with them. It's probably not wise to say this out loud but I really would prefer a third season of SGU to a fourth season of Fringe (although I will watch Fringe s4).
And I guess this makes SGU the first Stargate series I watched until the end (not that SyFy made that a very challenging task).
I do think it's a shame it got cancelled though. There are other shows I enjoyed less that got more episodes and did less with them. It's probably not wise to say this out loud but I really would prefer a third season of SGU to a fourth season of Fringe (although I will watch Fringe s4).
And I guess this makes SGU the first Stargate series I watched until the end (not that SyFy made that a very challenging task).
I dropped off SGU after the first few episodes and only watched the rest of season 1 because I had nothing else to watch and it won me back, just as it was announced the show was cancelled.
The camera panning down and the lights going off where a great bookend to the pilot. Plus while Eli has a tough task against him I didn't end with a sense of doom or fear (though since the show is cancelled it actually puts doubt in whether he will survive, which I won't doubt if there was a s3), but one of hope and wonder.
I'd rate it behind "Unending" in terms of my favourite series finals and there was a lot about this ending that reminded me of that episode, however I was far more invested in the SG-1 members so it was probably never going to unseat that one for me.
The camera panning down and the lights going off where a great bookend to the pilot. Plus while Eli has a tough task against him I didn't end with a sense of doom or fear (though since the show is cancelled it actually puts doubt in whether he will survive, which I won't doubt if there was a s3), but one of hope and wonder.
I'd rate it behind "Unending" in terms of my favourite series finals and there was a lot about this ending that reminded me of that episode, however I was far more invested in the SG-1 members so it was probably never going to unseat that one for me.
The responses from folks who blame the producers continue to amuse. Why blame them? Things just didn't work out. Blaming them would mean I should blame the producers and writers of TNG, DS9 and B5 who all gave us very pedestrian first seasons of their respective shows. Times were different then I suppose. Shows had a chance to grow and get better. TNG was especially lucky on this front because its first two seasons were lame (a few gems thrown in for good measure though). But I guess the format of TNG in which you could jump in and watch any episode without having to know too much of the backstory worked in its favor.
Well, aren't the producers the ones who create and develop thehow, and guide the whole process?
Should we instead blame the gaffer & best boy?
TNG had the "luxury" of being one of the only sci-fi shows on the air. Also cable channels didn't do first run shows then (and fewer cable connected households), as well as resurgance of Trek at the time. Also pre-TrekBBS, so fans couldn't unite in destroying a show before the episodes before they aired.
DS9 was also closer to that time period.
The SGU producers had time, like Voyager & Enterprise, to really think through story & character arcs, but didn't come through...
I think we can all agree that the quality of a show is not the sole determinant of ratings--and often not even a huge factor. There are lots of good or great shows that never make it past a first season. Then there's a lot of outright garbage that runs for years on end. There are just a lot of factors.
SGU simply failed to attract a large enough audience to justify its costs. Poor marketing, bad timeslot, inconsistent writing, tough competition, franchise fatigue--lots of things are responsible.
I think it's perfectly fair to criticize the writing of SGU, which had some significant problems, but probably a stretch to say that that's why it had bad ratings and was canceled.
I only watched this because it was the only space sci-fi on TV right now. I thought it was pretty awful. until the second half of the second season. Never seen a show turn itself around so completely before, most of the last 10 episodes were really damned good. They found their humour while still retaining a serious edge, and it didn't just feel bleak for the sake of it anymore.
Crappy way to have to end it though. Great episode, such a shame they can't continue it.
Crappy way to have to end it though. Great episode, such a shame they can't continue it.
I blame them because a lot of it was dull. They had 2 years to get their shit together. They did eventually but it was too late.
The responses from those who don't see how the producers are responsible for their product continue to amuse.
Mr Awe
It's a plot by the President. Changing NASA's mission to "Making the Muslims feel good about themselves" was only the first step.
Many Conservatives actually believed the liberals sabotaged the new "V" because it made Universal Healthcare out to be evil.
I blame them because a lot of it was dull. They had 2 years to get their shit together. They did eventually but it was too late.
The responses from those who don't see how the producers are responsible for their product continue to amuse.
Mr Awe
I don't think anyone is suggesting that they're not responsible for it, people just recognise the difference between a poorly written show, and a show that you (or they) happen to find dull. In my opinion the reason people are more receptive to season 2 isn't because it's written any better, it's simply because there is more action and a faster pace, both of which have a much broader appeal than sci-fi character drama, which is a very niche sub genre. In fact I'd say in terms of deep sci-fi and the exploration into the human condition these types of shows are shooting for, the second season is arguably weaker than the first.
For me, the reason the Second half of S2 became enjoyable, wasn't just due to more action, it was because the characters stopped being unlikable. Rush and Young mellowed out, the non-stop moping/whining was cut back on, Chloe is going to become an Alien and all the drama revolving around that was put to bed, Greer got a personality, etc.I blame them because a lot of it was dull. They had 2 years to get their shit together. They did eventually but it was too late.
The responses from those who don't see how the producers are responsible for their product continue to amuse.
Mr Awe
I don't think anyone is suggesting that they're not responsible for it, people just recognise the difference between a poorly written show, and a show that you (or they) happen to find dull. In my opinion the reason people are more receptive to season 2 isn't because it's written any better, it's simply because there is more action and a faster pace, both of which have a much broader appeal than sci-fi character drama, which is a very niche sub genre. In fact I'd say in terms of deep sci-fi and the exploration into the human condition these types of shows are shooting for, the second season is arguably weaker than the first.
S1, you just couldn't grab onto any of the characters, none of them were in the slightest bit likable
I blame them because a lot of it was dull. They had 2 years to get their shit together. They did eventually but it was too late.
The responses from those who don't see how the producers are responsible for their product continue to amuse.
Mr Awe
I don't think anyone is suggesting that they're not responsible for it, people just recognise the difference between a poorly written show, and a show that you (or they) happen to find dull. In my opinion the reason people are more receptive to season 2 isn't because it's written any better, it's simply because there is more action and a faster pace, both of which have a much broader appeal than sci-fi character drama, which is a very niche sub genre. In fact I'd say in terms of deep sci-fi and the exploration into the human condition these types of shows are shooting for, the second season is arguably weaker than the first.
Oh, I was just poking fun at this comment in particular by twisting it around, "The responses from folks who blame the producers continue to amuse. Why blame them?"--Nkomp3
I agree with Sindatur, all of those elements were under the control of the producers. So, to wonder why we should attribute blame to them just boggles the mind!
Mr Awe
- I got the chills as soon as the episode started; it’s tough to be watching the last episode of Stargate.
- I’m glad there wasn’t a giant reset button on Park so early, I could accept a cloned eye scenario later on, but so soon would rob the event of any kind of significance.
- Is Chloe the “we need a list” officer on Destiny?
- Rush’s “missing the piece of the puzzle” speech did make me think, but can you blame these people for wanting to get home quicker.
- Varro was put in to his pod way too quickly. It was because his acting power would dwarf half the main cast.
- Our finale B-story: will Young ever get to take a nap?
- The scenes of locking the crew into their pods was, as unintentionally as it was, like saying good-bye.
- The Young/Eli hug was sort’ve like a father/son moment I wish they had played a little bit more.
- The ship turning off and the music that accompanied it, perfect.
Wow, as an cliffhanger I wouldn’t have rated it too high. But as an end to the series and possibly a franchise, it was extremely powerful. Like I said earlier, the scenes of putting the crew in their pods were like saying good-bye, giving every character their moment.
It’s always hard to say good-bye to a series, but this show was cut down by Syfy in it’s prime. I only wish Syfy’s fortunes to suffer from here on out and that this is not the end of SGU.
- I’m glad there wasn’t a giant reset button on Park so early, I could accept a cloned eye scenario later on, but so soon would rob the event of any kind of significance.
- Is Chloe the “we need a list” officer on Destiny?
- Rush’s “missing the piece of the puzzle” speech did make me think, but can you blame these people for wanting to get home quicker.
- Varro was put in to his pod way too quickly. It was because his acting power would dwarf half the main cast.
- Our finale B-story: will Young ever get to take a nap?
- The scenes of locking the crew into their pods was, as unintentionally as it was, like saying good-bye.
- The Young/Eli hug was sort’ve like a father/son moment I wish they had played a little bit more.
- The ship turning off and the music that accompanied it, perfect.
Wow, as an cliffhanger I wouldn’t have rated it too high. But as an end to the series and possibly a franchise, it was extremely powerful. Like I said earlier, the scenes of putting the crew in their pods were like saying good-bye, giving every character their moment.
It’s always hard to say good-bye to a series, but this show was cut down by Syfy in it’s prime. I only wish Syfy’s fortunes to suffer from here on out and that this is not the end of SGU.
I had a dream two nights ago where Rush and Camile discovered another unexplored area of the ship. This time it was what they called "the executive quarters". It looked like a family room in a modern day house with painted walls, upholstered furniture, wall to wall carpets, wood rails on the stairs, etc...
Not precisely what I saw, but you get the idea...
Not precisely what I saw, but you get the idea...
Just saw the ending again on SyFy and the piano music was terrific. Great direction.
Just got to see the episode. Really liked it. Good, but not perfect, so rated it 8 chevrons.
For a variety of reasons SGU is the only Stargate series I've kept up with from start to end during its initial run, but I've never got involved much in the online discussion. I must say I'm quite surprised to come in here to see what the opinions are on the final goodbye, to find so much harsh criticism even from Stargate fans. To each his own of course, and if you don't like it you don't like it, but I've enjoyed both years of the show. Wasn't the best I've ever seen on tv, but was enjoyable enough to tune in each week.
I've seen some comments in this thread to the effect of "the pace in season 1 was too slow." Can't say I ever felt that way, but then, I can be patient with unfolding stories. It would be nice though, if stories actually got a chance to be finished properly. That's more of an issue. If you don't know if you will get more episodes beyond the first (half) season, you might not be willing to watch a slowly unfolding story. More than likely you won't see the end anyway.
For a variety of reasons SGU is the only Stargate series I've kept up with from start to end during its initial run, but I've never got involved much in the online discussion. I must say I'm quite surprised to come in here to see what the opinions are on the final goodbye, to find so much harsh criticism even from Stargate fans. To each his own of course, and if you don't like it you don't like it, but I've enjoyed both years of the show. Wasn't the best I've ever seen on tv, but was enjoyable enough to tune in each week.
I've seen some comments in this thread to the effect of "the pace in season 1 was too slow." Can't say I ever felt that way, but then, I can be patient with unfolding stories. It would be nice though, if stories actually got a chance to be finished properly. That's more of an issue. If you don't know if you will get more episodes beyond the first (half) season, you might not be willing to watch a slowly unfolding story. More than likely you won't see the end anyway.
just watched the last ten episodes my main question was for the last episode.
eli has only two weeks left on the ship before he has to kill life support and then that's it for him? do you think eli would've achieved enlightenment and evolve
into the a higher being?
eli has only two weeks left on the ship before he has to kill life support and then that's it for him? do you think eli would've achieved enlightenment and evolve
into the a higher being?
No, but I do think he would have used the Neural interface chair as a stopgap stasis chamber, of it worst comes to worst and he has literally no time left, he can always upload his consciousness into Destiny and live on that way.