6x02 Day of the Moon (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)

[Bob The Skutter]

Does he know that? Do they know that? This could be what causes them to attack him.

For those complaining about an arc, does anyone remember that old DW stories ran for sometimes 8 episodes? or more? You make it sound like this is new and goes against Doctor Who history.

I don't think anyone is complaining about the fact that there is a story arc, just that there was no sense of closure, there was more questions than answers and unless we learn a lot more the story made no sense.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I don't think anyone is complaining about the fact that there is a story arc, just that there was no sense of closure, there was more questions than answers and unless we learn a lot more the story made no sense.

I don't think that's fair. Just because there are some unanswered questions doesn't mean that the story makes no sense.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I don't think anyone is complaining about the fact that there is a story arc, just that there was no sense of closure, there was more questions than answers and unless we learn a lot more the story made no sense.

I don't think that's fair. Just because there are some unanswered questions doesn't mean that the story makes no sense.

Not the fact some questions were unanswered, but as has been pointed out there is a level where it makes no sense. Whether that's the whole "on the run" plot at the start, they had Presidential authorisation, why did they need to pretend to be on the run? or the fact they were writing on their faces and areas they wouldn't see very easily, what's the point in that if it's supposed to let them know they've had an encounter? These things may make for exciting chase sequences or creepy images but they don't make sense.

 

[Neroon]

I don't think anyone is complaining about the fact that there is a story arc, just that there was no sense of closure, there was more questions than answers and unless we learn a lot more the story made no sense.

That is something we cannot properly evaluate for some time to come

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I don't think anyone is complaining about the fact that there is a story arc, just that there was no sense of closure, there was more questions than answers and unless we learn a lot more the story made no sense.

That is something we cannot properly evaluate for some time to come

No, but you can still say it doesn't make for a satisfying story on its own. Which it is supposed to do, given we're back to mostly stand alone stories for the next few weeks. At least in my opinion.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I was very satisfied with both episodes in knowing that this will continue to be a mystery that will be hopefully unraveled either at the end of the series or at the mid point cliffhanger. I'm very excited for what's to come. I agree with what Neroon stated as well, that we can't really evaluate what has just happened yet. I'm convinced that this is one of the reasons why Moffat wrote the episodes as he did...he isn't ready to resolve things yet.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I was very satisfied with both episodes in knowing that this will continue to be a mystery that will be hopefully unraveled either at the end of the series or at the mid point cliffhanger. I'm very excited for what's to come. I agree with what Neroon stated as well, that we can't really evaluate what has just happened yet. I'm convinced that this is one of the reasons why Moffat wrote the episodes as he did...he isn't ready to resolve things yet.

That's fair enough. You enjoyed it and I'm not trying to convince anyone they shouldn't, but personally I didn't really think it was done very well. The non-resolution of the cliffhanger, the glossed over details and the stuff that didn't make sense didn't draw me in to the mystery. The fact that I know these things aren't going to be explains in coming episodes, just held over for event episodes later in the series, if they're properly explained at all, has left me more annoyed than entertained. It's always a bad sign for me when I begin to nitpick a lot.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I don't know if it was his intention or not but it seems to me that The Moff was really playing around with tropes in both episodes. At least that is something that I took from them. Especially with the cheeky episode recap in the opener. I understand how some fans feel about the episodes. I simply don't feel that way.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

^That recap wasn't on the British airing. I still haven't seen it. I really liked the first episode but felt really let down by the second.

 

[Admiral_Young]

It must have just aired on the North American broadcast then which only cements the joke more probably! I will say that I didn't really like the stuff with Amy/Rory/The Doctor...didn't feel comfortable with either scene and it felt like an unnecessary misdirection. I thought we'd put all that nonsense behind us when Rory and Amy got married.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

It must have just aired on the North American broadcast then which only cements the joke more probably! I will say that I didn't really like the stuff with Amy/Rory/The Doctor...didn't feel comfortable with either scene and it felt like an unnecessary misdirection. I thought we'd put all that nonsense behind us when Rory and Amy got married.

Thought the same to be honest. Seemed like a cheap way to wring extra emotion out of the situation, when I thought Rory had done a damn good job already.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Yep. Not a great way to progress Rory's evolution as a character to have him having doubts about his wife. That is just going to make fans argument that he's like Mickey stronger in my opinion. It might have been a joke, but it wasn't funny if it was. Like I said it was probably the only thing in both episodes I didn't like.

 

[Icemizer]

I've been doing a bit of thinking about the Underground Tardis. I dont believe it belonged to the Silence. Why would they need to lock something? You wouldnt remember it after you left it and they would have planted suggestions in people to forget it just like they did the tunnel system under the Earth.
I believe it belonged to the the little girl. Not saying she was a little girl when it landed but that she regenerated into the little girl and then was eaten by the Spaceman when she emerged.

 

[Saul]

There's been Silence in the Tardis. They're the ones who detonated the Tardis. So clearly they know all about him.

Yep, those guys killed everyone in the universe, a little payback was due.

 

[propita]

I thought the same thing at first, but then they pointed out that it was actually the Glen Canyon Dam, and that bridge behind it was built in 1959.

I googled Glen Canyon Dam. Definitely a different bridge, for all the similarities with Hoover’s. Both still amazing twin constructions.

No, that was definitely Glen Canyon Bridge and Dam. Here's an aerial short showing both the dam and the bridge. Note the steel-truss construction on the bridge's arch. Now here's Rory on the dam and you can clearly see the bridge in the background. Again, same steel-truss architecture. Finally, here's a shot of the Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge, looking over Hoover Dam. Similar, but hardly twins, you'll see that the Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge has a concrete arch instead of the steel-truss arch. You'll also see that Hoover Dam has four prominent intake towers that stretch back into Lake Mead, a feature that Glen Canyon Dam lacks.

Still, I agree they are amazing constructions and fondly remember my visits to Hoover Dam. Now I've got to see Glen Canyon Dam!

No, I meant that you’re right. It WAS Glen Canyon. Not arguing. The dams are similar but different and, though both have similar bridges, they are also different. Even the surrounding rocks are different (though both show low water levels).

At first glance having recently visited, I thought of Hoover. But it is Glen Canyon.

 

[Mr Awe]

4/5. It was fun but not an amazing classic. Lots of stuff was just put in their to be weird but didn't really advance the story. Some of it may be meaningful down the road but it doesn't help out not. Not a whole lot was revealed or answered.

Mr Awe

 

[Jax]

The episode scored a 87 index score from fans and already scored half a million viewers in the 1st repeat viewing. To put the 5.4 million overnight figures into context, likely end up around 7.0-7.5 million come the finals...

Nothing else but BGT on Saturday night achieved more then 5 million viewers. Up against Doctor Who, New People Do the Funniest Things on ITV1 was watched by 1.9 million. Lead in show Don't Scare the Hare, which scored just 1.4 million viewers FFS BBC. When Doctor Who finished the BBC follow up show fell to 2.9 million.

 

[Psion]

I googled Glen Canyon Dam. Definitely a different bridge, for all the similarities with Hoover’s. Both still amazing twin constructions.

No, that was definitely Glen Canyon Bridge and Dam. Here's an aerial short showing both the dam and the bridge. Note the steel-truss construction on the bridge's arch. Now here's Rory on the dam and you can clearly see the bridge in the background. Again, same steel-truss architecture. Finally, here's a shot of the Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge, looking over Hoover Dam. Similar, but hardly twins, you'll see that the Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge has a concrete arch instead of the steel-truss arch. You'll also see that Hoover Dam has four prominent intake towers that stretch back into Lake Mead, a feature that Glen Canyon Dam lacks.

Still, I agree they are amazing constructions and fondly remember my visits to Hoover Dam. Now I've got to see Glen Canyon Dam!

No, I meant that you’re right. It WAS Glen Canyon. Not arguing. The dams are similar but different and, though both have similar bridges, they are also different. Even the surrounding rocks are different (though both show low water levels).

At first glance having recently visited, I thought of Hoover. But it is Glen Canyon.

Ah, gotcha! I actually missed the reference to Glen Canyon Dam because I turned to my wife when I saw that bridge and said, "That's brand new, they missed that detail!" It wasn't until I came here to whine about it that I took a moment to re-watch the scene and caught the establishing title.

I wonder if the low water levels you note have had any effect on the discharge water temperatures ....

 

[Samurai8472]

Seems Matt Smith got a little banged up

http://entertainment.stv.tv/tv/246376-matt-smith-rushed-to-hospital-after-fall/

Doctor Who' star Matt Smith was rushed to hospital yesterday (01.05.11) after splitting his head open.

The actor - who plays the 11th doctor in the BBC One sci-fi show - tripped over in his flat while celebrating with his co-stars after they had finished filming the second part of the programme's current series and had to be taken to the nearby University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff to receive treatment.

A source told The Sun newspaper: "Matt tripped over in his flat and sustained a minor head cut. He went to A&E as a precaution. He is very, very clumsy so nobody will be surprised."

However, the accident failed to dampen Matt's mood and he soon went back to his friends to carry on the celebrations.

The source added: "It looked really painful but Matt didn't seem to care. Luckily they had just finished shooting scenes - if not his bosses would have been fuming because it didn't look too pretty."

Matt - who took over from playing The Timelord from David Tennant in 2009 - has often spoke about how clumsy he is and has broken bits off props before as well as admitting to resting his hand on a light only for it to fall on his head.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

^ Tripped over what, a brick?