ST:DS9's Most Overated Episodes:

[Rom's Sehlat]

My opinion about "Valiant": the characters in it were really creepy. I didn't like the idea of a bunch of kids putting another kid in the brig just because he talked about home. I think that's bullying. If I were Sisko I would court-martial the lot of them (had they survived). I would destroy their careers. They are not Starfleet material. I didn't care for that episode.

Sure, "Far Beyond the Stars" didn't jive with the rest of the series very well, but it was neat for seeing the actors as they look normally. I can excuse the bizarreness of the story for that, just once.

 

[Distorted Humor]

I don't know, but every time I've tried to say that I don't like it, there have been a lot of people who come to it's defense.

So, I guess it's highly thought of, at least in some circles.

Learn something new each day. Guess i will have to go into detail on why I don't like it when I get around to watching it.

Then again, I am somewhat odd, some of the ferengi episodes I do not mind. Heck, what happens to Keevan in The Magnificent Ferengi STILL cracks me up to no end.

Then again, as my name suggests, I have a distorted sense of humor.

 

[sonak]

glad to see siege of AR-558 mentioned. I agree it's just basically every war movie cliche strung together for an episode.

 

[ClayHefner]

including some of DS9's very own cliches like
- "Them future human dudes become savages under pressure"
- Sisko's unstoppable anti-jem wrestling moves
- cave setting
- Jem Hadar suck
- They reprogram something

 

[Distorted Humor]

glad to see siege of AR-558 mentioned. I agree it's just basically every war movie cliche strung together for an episode.

including some of DS9's very own cliches like
- "Them future human dudes become savages under pressure"
- Sisko's unstoppable anti-jem wrestling moves
- cave setting
- Jem Hadar suck
- They reprogram something

Indeed, though the bit where they expose the mines is a very good moment storytelling. seeing all the mines floating in midair.

Still, not the best. Not a bad episode however.

 

[Deks]

Please... the episode was (in my opinion) stupid.
Virtually on par with what some Trek fans ascribe to 'Threshold' from Voyager (I found that episode much more interesting than DS9's AR-558).
I mean seriously, the episode disregarded virtually everything we know about Federation technological capabilities and turned it into a glorified Vietnam flick.

Either way, DS9 never really captured my attention too much and was overall slightly boring.
It was ok to watch, but I didn't really see it on the same level as other Trek shows for various reasons (one of which being how the show in question brought new meaning to the term 'dumbing down the setting in order to satisfy the drama').
I'm not saying other Trek shows hadn't suffered from same issues, but were doing Ds9's 'mistakes' less in frequency compared(in my opinion).

I don't ascribe to the notion that just because someone thought DS9 to be boring that they have a poor choice in taste.
Tastes (like everything else) is subject to individual interpretation.
In my perception, Ds9 was OK to watch, but also a bore-fest on multiple occasions.

 

[Capt_Pickirk]

Far Beyond the Stars - It's got some massive over-acting from Avery Brooks and some downright weird acting from Armin Shimerman. It is a good "message" show, but ultimately I don't think it was needed. Did we really need another Trek episode devoted entirely to saying that "racism is bad"? On top of that, it has almost no connection to the rest of DS9 (aside from the Benny subplot that was later picked up). What was it that Sisko experienced? A vision from the Prophets? It's never made clear. If it was a vision from the Prophets, what were they trying to teach him? Simply to fight the good fight? Again, it's not clear.

Valiant - I simply cannot understand the appeal of this episode. 1.) The cadets are nothing if not annoying. There's no way to sympathize with them at all. 2.) Since Nog so easily goes along with their ridiculous plan, he comes off looking like a complete idiot. 3.) It makes absolutely no sense for Nog to be so taken in by them, since he is a genuine officer and they're still cadets. Nog, in fact, outranks all of them. 4.) What exactly were TPTB trying to do with this episode? Get us to agree with Red Squad or disagree with them? It's too vague.

I guess I am new here, but people think Valiant is a good episode?

Yeah, seriously?

Valiant???

I hate that episode. I HATE IT. Next to those Risa episodes, It is the Worst Episode of DS9 EVER. I cannot stand the annoying, bitchy characters in that episode. Especially the first officer, Karen Farris. When they all died at the end, I was cheering.

 

[Distorted Humor]

Please... the episode was (in my opinion) stupid.
Virtually on par with what some Trek fans ascribe to 'Threshold' from Voyager (I found that episode much more interesting than DS9's AR-558).
I mean seriously, the episode disregarded virtually everything we know about Federation technological capabilities and turned it into a glorified Vietnam flick.

Either way, DS9 never really captured my attention too much and was overall slightly boring.
It was ok to watch, but I didn't really see it on the same level as other Trek shows for various reasons (one of which being how the show in question brought new meaning to the term 'dumbing down the setting in order to satisfy the drama').
I'm not saying other Trek shows hadn't suffered from same issues, but were doing Ds9's 'mistakes' less in frequency compared(in my opinion).

I don't ascribe to the notion that just because someone thought DS9 to be boring that they have a poor choice in taste.
Tastes (like everything else) is subject to individual interpretation.
In my perception, Ds9 was OK to watch, but also a bore-fest on multiple occasions.

Now, I happen to like DS9, it was much more serialized, and while they threw in at least one clunker a year (as most star trek series did.) DS9 was very consistently good. I am not a fan of AR-558, but it is a lot better then at least 30 episodes just the first two seasons of TNG. Though it not in my "Best of" trek picks. On a scale of 0-10, I would give it a six.

Valiant - I simply cannot understand the appeal of this episode. 1.) The cadets are nothing if not annoying. There's no way to sympathize with them at all. 2.) Since Nog so easily goes along with their ridiculous plan, he comes off looking like a complete idiot. 3.) It makes absolutely no sense for Nog to be so taken in by them, since he is a genuine officer and they're still cadets. Nog, in fact, outranks all of them. 4.) What exactly were TPTB trying to do with this episode? Get us to agree with Red Squad or disagree with them? It's too vague.

I guess I am new here, but people think Valiant is a good episode?

Yeah, seriously?

Valiant???

I hate that episode. I HATE IT. Next to those Risa episodes, It is the Worst Episode of DS9 EVER. I cannot stand the annoying, bitchy characters in that episode. Especially the first officer, Karen Farris. When they all died at the end, I was cheering.

I was cheering too, of course, if they took Nog down with the ship, I wouldn't have griped. It is one of the few DS9 episodes I am dreading when I watch and review DS9 episodes.

 

[Navaros]

ST: DS9's Most Overated Episodes:

Emissary
Duet
WYLB
Trials and Tribble-ations
The Visitor
Far Beyond The Stars

...in other words, just about every episode (maybe with the exception of WOTW AND ITPM which are also rated highly, but for good reasons) that is commonly considered to be one of DS9's 'best', even though DS9 literally has several dozen episodes that are way better than those ones, and some of those ones are not even good (i.e. Emissary).

 

[Distorted Humor]

ST: DS9's Most Overated Episodes:

Emissary
Duet
WYLB
Trials and Tribble-ations
The Visitor
Far Beyond The Stars

...in other words, just about every episode (maybe with the exception of WOTW AND ITPM which are also rated highly, but for good reasons) that is commonly considered to be one of DS9's 'best', even though DS9 literally has several dozen episodes that are way better than those ones, and some of those ones are not even good (i.e. Emissary).

Those are fighting words

Emissary is the best star trek opener and sets the opening for a lot of arcs.

Duet - It is talky, but it is the best of season one, the guest star is excellent, and the writing is great.

Trials and Tribulations - It is a stand alone episode, and impressive for its time. I don't think it is the "Best" as a drama, but it is very cute. I do recommend anyone seeing DS9 to see it.

The Visitor - I guess if you don't care for Sisko and Jake, it is empty, but only a few star trek episodes hit you in the gut, and this one always does, much like "The Inner Light" in TNG.

Far Beyond the Stars - Except for the overacting near the end, I still think this is a great episode. It is a Homage to all the SF writers of yesteryear, and for the time, painfully realistic. I always took it as a homage to also a famous Comic book issue. The Comic "Judgement day" was banned as the final panel the hero in space takes off his helmet, and he (GASP) black, and the line is "...Twinkle like distant stars" and thus it shows that we have made a lot of progress as "Huw-mans". (The Comic was banned in 1953, which is the same period as the Benny Russell story)