Why did Pike promote Kirk...

[Merky]

So obviously all Starfleet first officer's wear a black undershirt with a white arrowhead... because the only one we see identified in the film is wearing one?

Your attempts at trolling fail.

You call it trolling because you obviously can't answer the question presented.

Yeah, no. http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=4888378&highlight=unauthorized#post4888378Stop trying to failtroll.

It was a very stupid question and you know that.

Exactly.

 

[BillJ]

It was a very stupid question and you know that.

If it's so stupid then answer the question... shouldn't tax you too much.

While I'm personally of the opinion that they are indeed cadet uniforms, another poster brought up that they could indeed be something more.

Upon reviewing the film... he may well be right. Because the film itself offers up some material that may call the judgement into question.

What's sad is when someone is so invested in their personal view of something that they can't go "yeah, maybe there could be more than one interpretation of what's seen on screen".

 

[Merky]

It was a very stupid question and you know that.

If it's so stupid then answer the question... shouldn't tax you too much.

What's sad is when someone is so invested in their personal view of something that they can't go "yeah, maybe there could be more than one interpretation of what's seen on screen".

It's goddamn common sense. If you have to make up a stupid fanfiction to bring up far left field possibilities for costumes in a freakin science fiction film then you're far too invested into something TPTB probably spent a day on planning out.

 

[BillJ]

It's goddamn common sense. If you have to make up a stupid fanfiction to bring up far left field possibilities for a freakin science fiction film then you're far too invested into something TPTB probably spent a day on planning out.

Really. No one has sworn at you. Just having fun discussing a quirk in a movie... if you get that worked up over it might want to seek some help. And your just using another behind the scenes explanation for something that has no on screen explanation.

Plus... the film (on screen) shows Lieutenant Commander McCoy, assistant chief medical officer of the Enterprise wearing the uniform. It's not something someone made up from "left field".

 

[Merky]

Goddam is a swear word? Wow. I thought we were adults, not 12. Worked up because I used goddamn? lolok.

Lieutenant Commander McCoy, assistant chief medical officer of the Enterprise wearing the uniform. It's not something someone made up from "left field".

wat.

naw, im gonna wipe my hands clean of this one. context clues are probably not your friend.

 

[BillJ]

Goddam is a swear word? Wow. I thought we were adults, not 12. Worked up because I used goddamn? lolok.

Lieutenant Commander McCoy, assistant chief medical officer of the Enterprise wearing the uniform. It's not something someone made up from "left field".

wat.

naw, im gonna wipe my hands clean of this one. context clues are probably not your friend.

Was he not a Lieutenant Commander? Sleeve stripes seem to say that he was.

Was he not assistant chief medical officer of the Enterprise? The fact he became CMO upon Puri's death and that he knew he was CMO, suggests he was.

Was he not wearing a 'cadet' uniform in multiple parts of the film? Think we all know that he was.

So what exactly is untrue in the statements above? Seems you maybe the one missing context clues.

 

[creek_chub]

Was he not assistant chief medical officer of the Enterprise? The fact he became CMO upon Puri's death and that he knew he was CMO, suggests he was.

I may be sorry I came out of lurking to interject but...I don't think the dialogue exchange between Spock and McCoy in this instance necessarily suggests this. The way I viewed the scene was McCoy being named CMO by virtue of the fact that he answered Spock's call. Right place and right time and all that. McCoy's answer then is sarcasm that indicates that in the ensuing chaos, SOMEONE had to tend to the situation and he was the one who, for whatever reason, did.

 

[BillJ]

Was he not assistant chief medical officer of the Enterprise? The fact he became CMO upon Puri's death and that he knew he was CMO, suggests he was.

I may be sorry I came out of lurking to interject but...I don't think the dialogue exchange between Spock and McCoy in this instance necessarily suggests this. The way I viewed the scene was McCoy being named CMO by virtue of the fact that he answered Spock's call. Right place and right time and all that. McCoy's answer then is sarcasm that indicates that in the ensuing chaos, SOMEONE had to tend to the situation and he was the one who, for whatever reason, did.

Think about it from Spock's angle. He promoted McCoy to CMO without knowing the status of any other medical staff except for Puri.

For Spock to do that without knowing where McCoy stood in the medical chain of command and without knowing the status of the rest of the medical staff, just isn't Spock.

 

[creek_chub]

Think about it from Spock's angle. He promoted McCoy to CMO without knowing the status of any other medical staff except for Puri.

For Spock to do that without knowing where McCoy stood in the medical chain of command and without knowing the status of the rest of the medical staff, just isn't Spock.

I did take that into consideration. Spock hesitates a moment before conferring the duties of CMO onto McCoy. I think in that moment he is processing the information he was just told and weighing the options available. I don't think we're ever told that Spock does or does not know where McCoy stands in the chain of command, but as first officer I believe it could be assumed that he does know. Therefore, for the sake of expediency, once he has weighed his options, he finds McCoy to be an adequate choice for a field promotion to CMO, both because Spock knows he's capable and because he's the one Spock is already speaking to (like I said, for the sake of expediency, rather than having McCoy go off and try to find the correct person when so many are injured who need attention.)

I'm not saying McCoy COULDN'T be the next in the chain of command, I'm just saying there could be other interpretations.

 

[BillJ]

I'm not saying McCoy COULDN'T be the next in the chain of command, I'm just saying there could be other interpretations.

Agreed.

 

[Chaos Descending]

Merky, I'm not mod or anything, but just a friendly poster-to-poster caution, accusing someone of trolling in an open thread is a warnable offense around here.

If you think someone is trolling, hit the "report post" button and save yourself getting hassled by the Greentitles.

 

[Merky]

Merky, I'm not mod or anything, but just a friendly poster-to-poster caution, accusing someone of trolling in an open thread is a warnable offense around here.

If you think someone is trolling, hit the "report post" button and save yourself getting hassled by the Greentitles.

o i c. Thanks for that tidbit of information, I'll try to keep much of my 4chan terminology off of the boards.

 

[Chaos Descending]

No worries. We've got a good spirited conversation going. I'd hate for the Rules Nazis to lock us down.

 

[T'Girl]

I wonder if these cadets are wearing a cadet uniforms, I mean, we don't really know. Really.

So you're trying to pointing out that only the Starfleet people in the front row are cadets? Seem a little old, but okay.

Are you trolling?

Trolling? No Merky, what I'm doing is throwing you own "evidence" back in your face. Given that it is indeed your own picture from your own post, how could you possibly object? Your evidence is to show modern cadets wearing grey uniforms with high collars, the picture of the Starfleet assembly does have people in grey uniform with a high collar, but they're all obviously older personnel and mostly in the front row (some in the farther bleachers too).

So you do indeed seem to be saying that the people in the front row are the actual cadets (take a moment to review your own post while we all wait ........ back already?), your logic is flawed, and so is your chosen example.

Incidentally sweetness, I don't troll. Perhaps if you'd been here for longer than a thirty-two days you'd know that.

Why would Uhura take the Kobayashi Maru to test her skills as a Captain

The Kobayashi Maru is a test of character, not one of skill. Assuming Starfleet has a command structure like a modern military, Uhura as an officer will be in charge of subordinate personnel, the Kobayashi Maru simulation would be used by Starfleet to evaluate Uhura's ability (or inability) to command others.

 

[6079SmithW]

I'm not saying McCoy COULDN'T be the next in the chain of command, I'm just saying there could be other interpretations.

Agreed.

He could have been the highest ranking medical officer to survive the attack.

 

[Chaos Descending]

I'm not saying McCoy COULDN'T be the next in the chain of command, I'm just saying there could be other interpretations.

Agreed.

He could have been the highest ranking medical officer to survive the attack.

At the rank of Lieutenant Commander, it would be hard to imagine many more people being above him in the medical chain of command.

 

[Vance]

I wonder if these cadets are wearing a cadet uniforms, I mean, we don't really know.

Really.

Merky, I think comparing the newest Star Trek movie's universal details (when we've already had the big man behind hit himself say he didn't care about such things) with a real life military command school is kinda fallacious at best.

It's not too hard to believe that someone forgot what ranks everyone were supposed to be during the movie, since they were hell-bent on getting the TOS crew to where they were originally were in the series, albeit 10 years to early or so...

 

[Merky]

So you're trying to pointing out that only the Starfleet people in the front row are cadets? Seem a little old, but okay.

Are you trolling?

Trolling? No Merky, what I'm doing is throwing you own "evidence" back in your face. Given that it is indeed your own picture from your own post, how could you possibly object? Your evidence is to show modern cadets wearing grey uniforms with high collars, the picture of the Starfleet assembly does have people in grey uniform with a high collar, but they're all obviously older personnel and mostly in the front row (some in the farther bleachers too).

So you do indeed seem to be saying that the people in the front row are the actual cadets (take a moment to review your own post while we all wait ........ back already?), your logic is flawed, and so is your chosen example.

Incidentally sweetness, I don't troll. Perhaps if you'd been here for longer than a thirty-two days you'd know that.

Oh, you were serious about that. I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you couldn't look beyond the colors of the uniform and the context of the post to figure out the message I was trying to convey.

Next time I'll post this instead:

http://www.japanblogger.com/image-files/gakuran.jpg

But wait, maybe someone will just think I'm talking about the color of the uniform and not the scenario. Maybe I should have taken more time out to photoshop all of their uniforms red so it'd be more obvious.

The Kobayashi Maru is a test of character, not one of skill. Assuming Starfleet has a command structure like a modern military, Uhura as an officer will be in charge of subordinate personnel, the Kobayashi Maru simulation would be used by Starfleet to evaluate Uhura's ability (or inability) to command others.

Skill and character go hand in hand. You can not perform well as a captain if you have no skill to go along with that character.

 

[Vance]

Okay, going to put my neck out here.

Merky, do yourself a big favor and knock it the hell off. You're not gaining any friends here, and your '4chan' attitude will not fly in a place where the majority of posters finished puberty at least a few years ago.

Another bit of advice, try to remember that people who work on the movies (including the newest one), star in them, write them, direct them, etc. are all posters here (albeit sometimes anonymously). It's probably not a good idea to speak for them, and definately not with derision and condescenion to fellow posters - who may or may not be people who actually do know what they're talking about.

 

[Merky]

Okay, going to put my neck out here.

Merky, do yourself a big favor and knock it the hell off. You're not gaining any friends here, and your '4chan' attitude will not fly in a place where the majority of posters finished puberty at least a few years ago.

Another bit of advice, try to remember that people who work on the movies (including the newest one), star in them, write them, direct them, etc. are all posters here (albeit sometimes anonymously). It's probably not a good idea to speak for them, and definately not with derision and condescenion to fellow posters - who may or may not be people who actually do know what they're talking about.

I'm sorry if I refuse to back down against the majority opinion here. If people can't deal with the fact that someone may not agree with them and will continue to debate their side of the argument, then what am I supposed to say? Sorry... sorry that you're obviously offended that I am standing by my belief? Sorry that I don't see your side of the argument? Sorry because I'm asking some people to actually use some common sense? That's insulting?

That's the beauty of debate and because I debate hard I have to knock it off and apologize? Yeah, no. I'm for debate, I present my argument, but if I'm going to be knocked down because I don't agree with the majority then wtf.

I'm not one going into other threads attacking people for random BS that happened in another thread. You want to debate with me? Then bring something worthwhile to table and make it meaningful to the conversation. Got something personal against me? Take it to PM.