F*** you Disney!

[Trekker4747]

Re: Fuck you Disney!

What was the matter with how they handled the TRON DVDs? Letting the previous two versions go out of print before this latest update?

Tron Classic and Tron: Legacy were both released on DVD last week. There's the following available at your local BB

Standalone DVDs of both.
Standalone BDs of both.
A "collector's" set which comes with both movies on DVD, BD, 3D-BD, and digital-downlaod.

I believe there's stand-alone versions of the second movie with 3D as well.

So the only way someone can get a "collector's set" of both movie is buying the mega BD pack which costs around $80 and comes with three versions of the movie you're not likely to need. This. Is. Absurd.

If I had bought that set I'd have the 3D discs -don't need them- and the DVD discs don't need those either.

It's also more-or-less pretty common now days to include the digital copy with a new release, hell I I'd say it's fairly rare to see a DVD or BD that doesn't come with the digital download for "free." Not so with Disney. Nope, you're paying extra for that bitch.

I bought stand-alone copies of both movies on BD on Amazon for under $35, free shipping. Cheaper that it would've been for me to buy the ridiculously priced combo-pack. All I wanted was both movies on BD.

It's also humorous to me that on the cover of the BD movie boxes there's a sticker that says "Also plays on PS3!" or something like that. As if now, after the PS3 being out for three or four years, people are going to look at that and go: "What?! My PS3 can play Blu-Ray?!"

Their discs, namely, are over-priced (esp. the combopack) and too loaded with various versions of the movie when all they should "really" include is just the digital copy.

EDIT:

Here's what's available:

Tron - DVD: $20
Tron: Legacy - DVD: $17
Tron - BD: $30
Tron: Legacy - BD: $30
Tron: Legacy - 3D BD: $40
Tron - DVD/BD, Tron: Legacy - DVD/BD//3D BD/DC - $70

I see a discrepancy there in pricing.

 

[Corran Horn]

I bought that last set that you have marked as $70 for $44.99. (at the time they offered a $5 coupon code if you bought it)

Heck, right now it ships for free for $52.99.

I'd say Disney did a great thing for people that don't care for digital copies but might want DVDs.

amazon has this pricing:

TRON DVD: $16.99
TRON: Legacy DVD: $16.99
TRON BD/DVD: $22.99
TRON: Legacy BD/DVD: $22.99
TRON: Legacy 3D BD/BD/DVD: $27.99
TRON: combo pack (both movies with DVD, digit, and BD copies + 3D legacy): $52.99

Basically, since the DVD alone costs $17 you're getting a BD as well for $6.

If you buy the standalone BDs for each film you're paying $46. With the combo pack you pay $7 more and get digital copies of both films plus a 3D BD.

I don't think that's bad at all.

I'd also say it's not a standard practice at all for BD to come with DVD copies. Some do. Disney was one of the first to do so and I think it's nice.

I don't see standalone BDs of either film w/o DVD copies included. (at least that are not Italian imports)

 

[sojourner]

Re: Fuck you Disney!

^Yeah, you want to be angry at someone? Try Sony. They are using the DMCA as an end run around people modifying Sony hardware. After it has been purchased and taken home.

Erm, no they're not. They're going after people like GeoHot and Graf_Chokolo for modifying the software. You may own the hardware when you buy a PS3, but you license the software that runs it.

Besides, GeoHot already settled with Sony at the end of March, and he lost out completely. Despite claiming he'd go all the way against Sony, and despite saying he'd never settle with them unless they reinstate OtherOS and apologise for removing it in the first place, he came away with none of that. Instead, if he's ever caught hacking a Sony product he'll get a fine of $100,000, and if he's ever caught distributing anything to do with hacking a Sony product he'll get a fine of $250,000.

His perks of the settlement? None. Well, aside from getting away with what he's already done, but seeing as the damage was already done in the first place, Sony continuing the suit would have done nothing to reverse that anyway.

They're not what? Making use of the DMCA to go after people for modifying hardware? Because I think that's what you just described.

 

[Servo]

Re: Fuck you Disney!

They're not what? Making use of the DMCA to go after people for modifying hardware? Because I think that's what you just described.

Then you think wrong because no hardware has been modified. It's the software that has been modified, allowing for anything from CFW and homebrew, through to piracy and game hacking.

As has been stated many times across the internet, and even in a related topic in Gaming a while back, you own the hardware, and as such you can do what you want with it and Sony have no legal recourse. The software that runs the hardware, however, is only licensed to you by Sony, and you may not alter it in any way, shape, or form.

 

[sojourner]

Re: Fuck you Disney!

But who is it hurting if I want to modify the software on a hardware device I own in order to make the device work in a way I prefer? If said software only runs on that particular device, then isn't it by de facto "modifying the hardware"?

 

[Vanyel]

I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but a professional DVD copier will copy the DVD including its encryption, or even remove it. Of course, you'll pay quite a bit for one. $1500+ last time I looked at one.

Still the copyright laws in the US are stupid. Legally you can make a copy for your own personal use, it's selling that copy that gets you in trouble. It's like recording a pro game. You can do it, you just can't have people pay to watch it.

 

[Servo]

Re: Fuck you Disney!

But who is it hurting if I want to modify the software on a hardware device I own in order to make the device work in a way I prefer?

Depends what you modify it to do. A lot of people mod their PS3 to run custom firmware so they can use the removed OtherOS feature legitimately, or to run emulators or whatever. That's fine, at least as far as I'm concerned. The problem arises when people use modded PS3's to run pirated games or to cheat at multiplayer, which is exactly what some people used Geohot's hacks for. If Geo hadn't published the metldr key all over the internet so any arsehole could use it to hack and pirate games, then I doubt there would have been as big a fuss about it. Other hackers, like fail0verflow, managed to hack the PS3 and reinstate the OtherOS feature without the need to publish the PS3's software signing key everywhere, and hardly anyone knows who they are because Sony isn't going after them, at least not at the moment. That's where Geo went wrong.

If said software only runs on that particular device, then isn't it by de facto "modifying the hardware"?

Well, no, not really. You're not changing anything about the hardware, you're just altering its function through a set of software commands. The software it the root of it all, seeing as you don't own it. It doesn't matter even if you do consider it de facto modifying the hardware. The point is, you're modifying the software, which is where the problem lies.

 

[sojourner]

Re: Fuck you Disney!

^Which is what's wrong with DMCA. Companies are realizing they can embed software in devices which results ultimately in making hardware modification illegal. It's also being twisted to prevent the once legal practice of reverse engineering.

 

[Servo]

Re: Fuck you Disney!

^Which is what's wrong with DMCA. Companies are realizing they can embed software in devices which results ultimately in making hardware modification illegal. It's also being twisted to prevent the once legal practice of reverse engineering.

I don't understand how it's being twisted. Software is an intellectual property and the owner has the right to protect it. Especially so if the people infringing on their IP are either taking part in, or enabling others to take part in, activities which have a negative impact on their business or their customer base. The minority of dickheads who used CFW to pirate and cheat are the ones who fucked it up for everyone else.

 

[bigdaddy]

I loved the fact I can transfer DVD to a VHS tape, but can't take a Disney tape to a DVD. So stupid.

 

[Servo]

I loved the fact I can transfer DVD to a VHS tape...

They probably made no effort to copy-protect in that direction because they figured "why the fuck would anyone want to?".

 

[bigdaddy]

I loved the fact I can transfer DVD to a VHS tape...

They probably made no effort to copy-protect in that direction because they figured "why the fuck would anyone want to?".

That's what I'm thinking. I only did it to see how it worked, so now I have Inception on tape!

 

[Servo]

I loved the fact I can transfer DVD to a VHS tape...

They probably made no effort to copy-protect in that direction because they figured "why the fuck would anyone want to?".

That's what I'm thinking. I only did it to see how it worked, so now I have Inception on tape!

I bet you're the only person in the world who does.

 

[Kataaran]

Re: Fuck you Disney!

Well, no, not really. You're not changing anything about the hardware, you're just altering its function through a set of software commands. The software it the root of it all, seeing as you don't own it. It doesn't matter even if you do consider it de facto modifying the hardware. The point is, you're modifying the software, which is where the problem lies.

When I buy some hardware (and by definition that would include the software that runs it) I don't see it in separate terms, it's not like you can buy one bit or the other separately. I've bought it, I'm gonna do whatever I want with it. I've got two iPhones and an iPad that are jailbroken and a PSP and a DS that're both hacked to run games from the memory stick. None of these devices are running ripped off software, unlocking them makes them more useful to me.

Apple, Sony and Nintendo would love to stop people from modding their products but once they've sold me the product it's mine and I'll use it however I want to. The ability to unlock hardware plays a big part in my buying decision, they actually get more cash out of me because of it.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I loved the fact I can transfer DVD to a VHS tape, but can't take a Disney tape to a DVD. So stupid.

I don't know what DVD player and VHS recorder you are using but they (used to at least) also incorporate Macrovision copy protection as well to prevent making DVD recordings from DVD players. Of course, I haven't tried it since the early days, they might have said "fuck it" after everyone and their brother can actually copy the DVD's themselves digitally now.

I remember buying a cheap-o Apex DVD player years ago because it let you hack it to region free and as a bonus disable the Macrovision.

 

[Servo]

Re: Fuck you Disney!

When I buy some hardware (and by definition that would include the software that runs it) I don't see it in separate terms, it's not like you can buy one bit or the other separately. I've bought it, I'm gonna do whatever I want with it. I've got two iPhones and an iPad that are jailbroken and a PSP and a DS that're both hacked to run games from the memory stick. None of these devices are running ripped off software, unlocking them makes them more useful to me.

Great, but it's not me you have to convince. It doesn't matter how you or I want to see it. It is what it is, and when you agree to the EULA or TOS, you accept that the software running your machine is only licensed to you, and you agree not to tamper with or modify it.

 

[sojourner]

Re: Fuck you Disney!

^Which is why DMCA sucks.

 

[Kataaran]

^^ I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else. If I have the means to unlock my stuff for my own use I'll go right ahead. EULAs don't mean a thing frankly. If you buy a game you don't encounter the EULA until you've parted with your cash, there's nothing you can do at that point if you read it and don't agree, shops won't accept returns. If the publishers are gonna play unfairly so am I.

 

[bigdaddy]

It just told me I couldn't transfer my cousin's shower because it's copy protected... fucking Sony.

 

[OmahaStar]

It just told me I couldn't transfer my cousin's shower because it's copy protected... fucking Sony.

Why are you watching your cousin take a shower?