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Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira whitewash

Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

Enough on Freddy and his sadly doomed show...

Just one thing about anime... How many characters actually LOOK Japanese?! Look at Sailor Moon! Don't look at the live-action, that's shit.

Usagi/Serena: Blonde with BLUE EYES!
Ami/Amy: Dark haired with BLUE EYES!
Makoto/Lita: Redhaired with GREEN EYES!
Minako/Mina: Blonde with BLUE EYES!
Rei/Raye: Raven hair with brown eyes.

The only ones that looked remotely Japanese were Rei and Ami!

Let's say the cast were all Japanese. Would they be required to dye their hair and wear contact lenses to match the characters' coloring? Wouldn't that come off as racist, especially to the vast majority of the audience who aren't familiar with the conventions of anime?
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

You keep touting this, yet the lead looks no more ethnic than say... Fred Savage.

He's a guy named Freddy Rodríguez, playing a character named 'Rick Martinez.' I don't think it's a big leap for people to think of him as latino.

But he still looks like a "lilly white american". It's not really much of a win for non-white casting.

He's an actor of Puerto Rican descent who always plays Hispanic roles in everything I've seen him in (Federico Diaz on 'Six Feet Under' probably being his most famous part) and he's playing the lead character who's named Martinez; a character that talked about being Puerto Rican on the show, for Christ's sake. What, does he have to show up to work at the CIA in dark brown face paint, wearing a sombrero and a poncho in order to be "Hispanic enough"? He's apparently Hispanic enough for actual Hispanic people.

Plus Carmen Ejogo, his girlfriend/fellow agent and a regular character on the show is biracial. So it's not all lilly white casting.
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

And look at this comment from the article:

Of course, for this writer, it will be nice if the series open up to see more of Agent Martinez’s private life and a glimpse of his Puerto Rican roots.

So it does mean something to people when they see someone from their own race or ethnicity being considered "normal" enough to have the Everyman lead in a TV show, even one that is probably going to get canned soon due to low ratings. :sigh:
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

The premise of Akira is so nuts - a teenage biker-gang member develops psychic superpowers, goes mental with his new powers, blows up tons of stuff, accidentally squishes his girlfriend in his mutating innards, and starts his own private universe along with a few other mutants - that it seems kind of loopy to consider making a live-action version at all, never mind any debate about the racial profile of any potential cast members.

And in an interesting bit of irony Chris Pine is apparently in the running for a part in the live action movie, considering he play/is playing Captain James T. Kirk who had a best friend who was a Starfleet officer who develops psychic superpowers, goes mental with his new powers, reforms parts of planets, kills a guy, and gets offed by Kirk who drops a big rock on him with a phaser rifle.

True that. :lol: I wonder who would win in a fight off between Tetsuo Shima and Gary Mitchell.
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

Here's a little "racebending" example for ya: Edward James Olmos' character Bill Adama in Blood & Chrome was cast in his younger years by a non-Hispanic actor. In all of LA, a city that is at least 50% Hispanic, if not moreso, they couldn't find one Hispanic actor to fill that role, huh?

Temis, I'm afraid I just don't get this. The character of Adama wasn't Hispanic, he was Capri...canic. His son wasn't Hispanic. The first guy who played the role was a Canadian borne to Russian Jew parents. Why does the younger Bill Adama have to be Hispanic?
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

Here's a little "racebending" example for ya: Edward James Olmos' character Bill Adama in Blood & Chrome was cast in his younger years by a non-Hispanic actor. In all of LA, a city that is at least 50% Hispanic, if not moreso, they couldn't find one Hispanic actor to fill that role, huh?

Temis, I'm afraid I just don't get this. The character of Adama wasn't Hispanic, he was Capri...canic. His son wasn't Hispanic.

Actually he was a Tauron :)
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

All I am saying is that Freddy Rodriguez looks like one of four white guys on the show. He is not really the definition of "racial bending". Ethnic? yes. race? no.

Heck, if you didn't recognize the actors in this photo, which one would you guess is named Rodriguez?
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2046015488/nm0135585

Me? I'd go with the guy on the left.
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

There's a show that takes place in Hawaii that has a couple of Asian leads and many guest stars.
Yup. Forgot to Mention Grace Park (Boomer from NuBSG) and Daniel Dae Kim (Crusade and LOST) in Hawaii 5-0
There's also Ming Na in Stargate Universe, and The Event's Ian Anthony Dale.

Stargate Universe also has Jennifer Spence (Park).
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

Here's a little "racebending" example for ya: Edward James Olmos' character Bill Adama in Blood & Chrome was cast in his younger years by a non-Hispanic actor. In all of LA, a city that is at least 50% Hispanic, if not moreso, they couldn't find one Hispanic actor to fill that role, huh?

Temis, I'm afraid I just don't get this. The character of Adama wasn't Hispanic, he was Capri...canic. His son wasn't Hispanic.

Actually he was a Tauron :)

Well, I guess I stand corrected on that score!
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

All I am saying is that Freddy Rodriguez looks like one of four white guys on the show. He is not really the definition of "racial bending". Ethnic? yes. race? no.
In the most recent episode, the boys are describing their past romantic foibles. Rodriguez's character talks about an old girlfriend (Anglo name, presumably white) whose father was "a bit of a racist," presumably in regards to his daughter's boyfriend. So how can daddy be racist against a white guy? Maybe they cast a whiter-looking actor than they should have, but the script sure thinks the guy is nonwhite.

BTW, Chaos is shaping up to be a surprisingly good show, but the ratings are dire and it will probably get cancelled. So that doesn't do much to change Hollywood's assumptions that they need to keep the lead characters lily-white and reserve the ethnics for second banana.

As this thread proves, there are abundant numbers of nonwhite actors in supporting roles, and that's been true for a long time. The really striking thing is how few nonwhite actors ever get a lead role.
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

Hell, the only decent Asian character on TV right now that I can recall off the top of my head is Cho from The Mentalist and half the writers on that show seem to ignore him.


There's a show that takes place in Hawaii that has a couple of Asian leads and many guest stars.

Hell, the only decent Asian character on TV right now that I can recall off the top of my head is Cho from The Mentalist and half the writers on that show seem to ignore him.


There's a show that takes place in Hawaii that has a couple of Asian leads and many guest stars.
Yup. Forgot to Mention Grace Park (Boomer from NuBSG) and Daniel Dae Kim (Crusade and LOST) in Hawaii 5-0

That doesn't make up for the fact that Cho is not dealt with on The Mentalist properly by the writers. Either give him a chance to shine, or get rid of the character and give the actor in question his release.:vulcan:
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

^They put him in charge of the team a few episodes ago, and he was acknowledged to be a good leader by all involved.
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

^They put him in charge of the team a few episodes ago, and he was acknowledged to be a good leader by all involved.
Hmmm.... I wonder if I can get my job to abuse me like that.
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

Speaking of Akira again, somebody has come up with a list of Asian actors who they think could be cast in this new movie:

There are not many roles for Asian actors to get outside of indie films and mainstream kung-fu/martial arts films, so when the time comes for there to be a film that should cast Asian actors, such as Akira and The Last Airbender, the bulk of the roles go to Caucasian actors instead of actors that actually look like the characters. The problem is that a lot of studios still hold on to the stereotypical notion that Asian actors and actresses only sell in martial arts/action films; that they can only be the lead in such a film, not in a dramatic and/or romantic film like Philadelphia or The Notebook. So, I say all of this to say that race and image in Hollywood go hand-in-hand and images in Hollywood still need to be addressed by the System-at-Large.

So with that out of the way, let’s get on to the shortlisting!

Shotaro Kaneda: Leader of a bike gang, handsome, rebel, eventual leader of the resistance against the corrupt government

Tatsuya Fujiwara: Fujiwara is probably known to a lot American anime fans as “Light Yagami” from the Japanese film adaptation of Death Note (Hollywood should take a look at this film and its manga form, because this film shows how to do an anime adaptation right). Light is an insane character (well, almost every character in Death Note is insane, as I’ll reiterate later in the shortlist), but he’s also a character of precision, OCD-like intensity, and serious perfectionism, meaning that the actor would have to be deadly serious about his commitment to character. While Kaneda isn’t so much a perfectionist, the actor would have to put a lot of intensity into his performance, and if Fujiwara is able to be this cunning and deadly as Light, then he’s more than capable of taking on Kaneda. His work in Kaiji: The Ultimate Gambler, a fast-paced, intense movie in its own right, also reiterates Fujiwara’s ability to take on dramatic, violent roles.

Tetsuo Shima: Kaneda’s best friend, psychic, eventual guinea pig of a governmental experiment, destroyer.

Justin Chon: Chon isn’t seen much in Twilight, but he’s good with what he’s given. I’ll paraphrase what studio execs are stereotyped to say: I like the kid. He seems fresh-faced enough to pull off being an unassuming Tetsuo, because in the anime film, Tetsuo does come off initially as unassuming. In fact, the idea that Tetsuo has psychic abilities surprises Kaneda, who is used to Tetsuo being his right-hand man. And, just because Chon’s in Twilight doesn't mean that playing Bella's friend is the extent of his talent. Case in point: the late Heath Ledger, who, up until his turn as the Joker in The Dark Knight, was in teen films like A Knight’s Tale and the classic Ten Things I Hate About You. Even his turn in Brokeback Mountain, an Oscar-nominated film, didn't dissuade people from doubting his abilities to do the Joker justice, but he proved them wrong and then some. Chon, who is also young enough to pull off playing a realistic high-school student, seems like a good potential Tetsuo; don’t hold Twilight against him.

Chromatic Casting: The All-Asian Shortlist for Akira

Again, this brings back the question I posed a couple of posts ago; why aren't the Japanese filming this movie? And what's the reason not?
 
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I have to keep reminding myself that in the USA 'Asian' means Chinese/Japanese.

Over here Asian means from the Indian sub-continent and Chinese means Chinese and Japanese means Japanese. All the others: Burma, Korea, Vietnam etc are lumped under Southeast Asian.
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

Again, this brings back the question I posed a couple of posts ago; why aren't the Japanese filming this movie? And what's the reason not?

Well, there are several options. They may not own the rights to it any more, they may just not want to, or they may just think there's not much of a market out there for a live-action movie. And who knows, maybe they will film their own version and we can all get enraged that they didn't cast any white people.
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

Again, this brings back the question I posed a couple of posts ago; why aren't the Japanese filming this movie? And what's the reason not?

Well, there are several options. They may not own the rights to it any more, they may just not want to, or they may just think there's not much of a market out there for a live-action movie. And who knows, maybe they will film their own version and we can all get enraged that they didn't cast any white people.


Actually, the Akira Committee is still probably around, and could film this movie, and most of the Japanese film companies (my sad attempt at a April Fool's Day prank notwithstanding) are as big as the American ones-big enough to do this movie if needed. So, what's the holdup, Toho? Why not steal this out from under the Americans and make a set in Japan filmed with Japanese actors in Japan movie of this property?
 
Re: Racebending and other Asian-Americans speak up against Akira white

Again, this brings back the question I posed a couple of posts ago; why aren't the Japanese filming this movie? And what's the reason not?

Again, it's simple: they don't have the money. You brought up Toho as a viable production company, but looking at wikipedia, it seems like their most expensive films are budgeted at $20-25 million. There's no way they could produce a live-action version of Akira with that kind of money and have it be comparable to a Hollywood production of the same material.

If the Japanese film industry has been in the business of making films budgeted at $150-200 million, I certainly haven't heard of them. Which is sort of the problem. Can you name any?
 
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