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wwe vs tnt anyone watching?

^ Do you ever read people's posts when they post things? The fact that you ask this question when I already explained what it will be changed to makes me think that the answer is no. Sigh.

Vince is thinking about getting rid of the word 'wrestling' in WWE. He wants the company to be known just as WWE. The initials won't stand for anything. Does this make any sense at all? Maybe, kind of since he has been pushing the sports entertainment thing since the late nineties. Personally I don't care. It's just corporate semantics to me.
 
If he removes the "wrestling' and the "sports" doesnt that make all the on screen people performers/actors? He then runs the risk of getting SAG involved and I know he doesnt want any type of union involved in his business.
 
^ I'm not sure of the legalities of the attempted move. Just know that this is something that has been in talks for a while. It was first reported prior to Wrestlemania and most first dismissed it as a potential April Fool's joke (as I originally reported here) but nope this is serious.

It is an interesting question to bring up though. The WWE does have scripted writers. Hell they used Freddie Prinze Jr on Smackdown for a few months. So it's not just a SAG issue, it could be a WAG issue as well.

According to Slam Wrestling...roster cuts could be on the way. Maybe this answers timothy's question about where Koslov was on Friday, it's possible he's a victim. Also Shane McMahon was at the Masters. He shook Rory McIlvine's hand after the 15th hole. No one knows why he was there but speculation is that he's friends with the golfer. Or it's possible he's a golf fan. *Shock*
 
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Vince McMahon has been desperate to at least publicly distance himself from the concept of "Professional Wrestling" for years. Championships are not allowed to be referred to as belts, talent is not allowed to be referred to as wrestlers and Jim Ross had to fight for his job for years because he was so strongly associated with the "Rasslin" image that McMahon has spent much of the past twenty-five years trying to eliminate from the general public perception of what professional wrestling is.

Remember "Beyond The Mat"? Remember that smirk on his face as he told the filmmakers "We make movies"?

Personally I stopped caring years and years ago. Because no matter what Vince wants to call his product, no matter how many outside projects he tries to create on the strength of the WWE fan base the only thing that's really going to matter in the end is the product in the ring. I'm talking about the promos, the story lines (because half the fun of being a fan of this stuff is the absurd, entertaining pageantry) and most of all the work rate of the people who work matches night after night. That's the only thing that interests me. The rest is just static and nonsense.

I also thought Wrestlemania 27 was pretty good. It wasn't perfect, but I thought the good outweighed the bad.
 
Yeah Vince has been pretty demanding about the removal of all the Old School stuff and terms. I read somewhere a while ago that the belts are basically referred to as props now. I know that is how some fans look at them. They don't matter any more as they used to (maybe only to the wrestlers). Triple H wants to break Ric Flair's record for World Title's held, he needs four more title reigns to do that though I believe. Don't be surprised if we see a program against Miz soon.
 
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I'm not sure Triple H will break the record. He's done several interviews over the past year in which he's expressed a desire to retire in the near future and that winning championships isn't important to him anymore.

He may still do it. Who knows.

What's funny about McMahon is that he's so desperate to shed the "Rasslin'" image, but he'll gladly use decades of archival matches and footage to hook in those same old-school fans he seems to hold such disdain for. I realize that's just business, but I still think it's funny.

Championships are only as valuable (in terms of elevating the wrestler(s) who hold it/them) as the quality of a particular championship run. With that in mind some of those belts have lost a good deal of their prestige. The world titles are still significant, but it's been a long time since I've been truly interested in a second-tier, women's or tag team championship run. There have been some good talents in all those areas, but they rarely get a chance to run with the ball in the way that would both elevate their careers and create enough significance around their title(s) to generate interest in the title with a later champion/angle.

Tag team wrestling is especially disheartening. There have been some really good tandems to come through the pike over the last couple of years, but their runs as champions come and go so quickly that nothing or no one really benefits when it's all over. The writing for mid-card, female and tag team talent these days is horrible for the most part. For all its flaws one of the best things about the Attitude era was that it seemed like everyone on the roster got something to do. It didn't always work, but at least it subscribed to the theory that pro wrestling is like an a circus. If you don't like the dancing bear, then you might like the tigers or the clowns. It's an old cliche that's served wrestling well for decades. It seems like an afterthought now. These days you have the majority of the attention on a select few, and then scraps for anyone else.
 
maybe @ sumerslam TRIPLE HHH vs the miz . and the name change just confused me that's all so it's just now the wwe and the initial's don't mean anything . that's just weird . and if triple hhh is going after ric's record that means more of the game on screen .
 
Well Vince does hate tag teams thats for sure.

As for roster cuts well I can see lots of guys getting the axe and ending up in TNA.
 
That is one of main reason's I like tna is for tag team wrestling and the x divsion . it seems to me that vince does'nt like tag or cruiser weight wrestling.
 
^ There's still an X Division in TNA? ;)

Yeah Vince seems to hate the tag team division, to the point where he'll team up singles guys to grab the belts and squash the legitimate tag teams. For all the good that the WWE has done over the years there are still obvious flaws that I don't like at all.
 
Well Vince does hate tag teams thats for sure.

As for roster cuts well I can see lots of guys getting the axe and ending up in TNA.

Aren't they having an annual draft soon? There's got to be some direction to go into now that Mania is over and they have to go to Extreme Rules or something. Also, what are the thoughts of ending the whole brand thing? There just doesn't seem to be enough talent in both brands to warrant and Raw and Smackdown brand and it seems like something like that has been over for a few years.
 
No word on an upcoming draft. I know that I was expecting one because drafts usually occur after Wrestlemania, we're still wrapping up WM storylines anyway. I suspect that after Extreme Rules there will be new storylines creeping up. I am tired of the brand thing. It was interesting when it was first introduced but they kind of haven't really stuck with it. Everyone knows the entire freaking roster is at the Raw shows behind the scenes and most of them are used on Raw. So I feel like they should just end it.

I love this thread.
 
No word on an upcoming draft. I know that I was expecting one because drafts usually occur after Wrestlemania, we're still wrapping up WM storylines anyway. I suspect that after Extreme Rules there will be new storylines creeping up. I am tired of the brand thing. It was interesting when it was first introduced but they kind of haven't really stuck with it. Everyone knows the entire freaking roster is at the Raw shows behind the scenes and most of them are used on Raw. So I feel like they should just end it.

I love this thread.

See, I didn't think these storylines would go beyond Wrestlemania though. Like the whole thing with Cole and Lawler and the whole BBQ thing on JR, I actually got annoyed at that whole thing. It wasn't because of what actually happened, but it's mainly because we've seen it for a good month and a half and even longer if you want to go back to last summer. Also, I really hope we don't have Cole/Matthews/Booker T on the announcer table for Raw from here on out. That show deserves better.
 
^ I honestly didn't think so either. It's rare for storylines to continue beyond Wrestlemania. My guess is that they're still thinking things through. It's going to be interesting to see what they do with both Undertaker and HHH after their match. If they continue feuding then their WM match was even more pointless.
 
well they did do a lot rewritting at wrestlemania . I think triple hhh should go after the miz . that would be good. or since tough enough is back the miz goes after
stone cold which was great last monday . hopefully koslov and finley will be seen at tna.
 
Stone Cold is not going to be wrestling any matches. His knees are bad. The most we could see him do is spots and sketches but he won't be wrestling. What are you talking about they did a lot of rewriting at Wrestlemania? Do you have sources that will support your comment? The only thing that I know that was tossed in was Trips/UT.
 
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here we go we start it off with john cena .


randy orton vs john cena # 1 contender match tonight or even a
tripple threat match for the # 1 contender.
 
^ I wish you'd quit giving commentary through Raw. I'm trying to watch without being spoiled lol. You're ahead of the west coast it seems. Or at least use spoiler code or create a separate Raw commentary thread if you'd like.
 
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