Based on the frantic pace of the first film, I don't think the Doomsday Machine would fit in.
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Based on the frantic pace of the first film, I don't think the Doomsday Machine would fit in.
^ They've gone on record saying the second film will have a slower pace (now that they're sure they can get away with it). Plus, the lack of need to reintroduce Kirk/Spock through childhood will ease things up a bit as well.
You could simply start with the Constellation answering a distress signal and arriving in orbit of a planet just as the Doomsday Machine is devouring it. Fight, loose, crippled in space... CUE TITLE. From there, it's pretty easy to padd this out to a whole two-our feature; have at least one sequence where they have to fight and stall the machine so the population of the next victim planet can evacuate, add some serious damage/control "The ship is on fire" moments in between, then go for the finale.
As for fitting in, they've said they were looking for a way to explore modern issues with a Trek film (as Trek has always done). A simple way of doing this might be to retcon the doomsday machine as an ancient Xindi superweapon that destroyed their planet when they lose control of it a thousand years ago, recently reactivated by the insectoids in an ill-conceived plan to re-take control of their government from the aquatics (and just because the Xindi suck as a species, let's make their planet the first one to be destroyed).
You could simply start with the Constellation answering a distress signal and arriving in orbit of a planet just as the Doomsday Machine is devouring it. Fight, loose, crippled in space... CUE TITLE. From there, it's pretty easy to padd this out to a whole two-our feature; have at least one sequence where they have to fight and stall the machine so the population of the next victim planet can evacuate, add some serious damage/control "The ship is on fire" moments in between, then go for the finale.
As for fitting in, they've said they were looking for a way to explore modern issues with a Trek film (as Trek has always done). A simple way of doing this might be to retcon the doomsday machine as an ancient Xindi superweapon that destroyed their planet when they lose control of it a thousand years ago, recently reactivated by the insectoids in an ill-conceived plan to re-take control of their government from the aquatics (and just because the Xindi suck as a species, let's make their planet the first one to be destroyed).
Dream on. The doomsday machine is from another galaxy.
Id have the Constellation fighting to save colonists, etc. It didnt make sense that Decker would have stayed to combat a ship with near Death Star firepower and very tough armor/outer shell if there wanst anyone on the planets being blown away. Why did Decker stay and fight, and risk losing and letting Starfleet stay in the dark about the threat? Saying that one or more of the planets had large numbers of people on them explains Deckers very tough choice to stay and fight it out. Let the escapees warn Starfleet.
If we are going to have wild retcons, I say its from the Galactic Empire. Or Scorpius or the Peacekeepers. Or the Cylons.
What about: they are geeky fans and they hate the nitpicking?
Way back in the TOS movie era, I knew lots of fans who refused to read any tie-in novelization or original ST fiction if there was any possibility of it being overruled by the next film.
I don't think JJ's team is fearing anything. They just want to lead the way in this universe, which is how any new franchise should be.
Greg Cox, Christopher L Bennett and David Mack have only responded in public to the same information we got over in TrekLit. The other author was Alan Dean Foster, who doesn't post at TrekLit. The four novels are simply indefinitely postponed. The authors were paid. JJ's team thought it was too early for original fiction to pick up threads from their first movie. Instead, they approved a series of Starfleet Academy Young Adult prequel novels. Two of those novels are already out. Prequel comics have also come out from IDW (and "Wired" magazine). No sequels. Yet.
As I said, it's highly unlikely that Pocket let four paid-out contracts go to waste, even if the novels need a little tweaking later. Bad Robot, through CBS Consumer Products, who approves all ST novel proposals and manuscripts, and Pocket/Gallery have explained that JJ's team want to have first, second (and third?) bites of the new canonical cherry. The four proposals were approved, the four manuscripts were edited. They await the appropriate timing.
Memory Beta says:
"... in January 2010 Pocket Books announced the books had been put on indefinite hold, pending further development of the new universe. They released a short statement saying[6]:
"With last summer’s blockbuster STAR TREK movie, JJ Abrams created a new vibrant, layered version of the Star Trek universe. After careful consideration, we decided to hold off on telling new stories while JJ and his team continue to develop his vision.
"The books had all be written by this time, and many of the authors have commented that they hope or anticipate a future release once the next film is more developed[7][8][9]. For now however they remain unpublished works."
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Of all the things we've retconned from TOS over the years... why not?
Just cinematize all the parts that were reduced to dialog. Constellation fighting the machine the first time: 5 minutes. Doomsday machine eating the third planet and wiping out its population: 5 minutes. Damage control teams trying to repair constellation: 5 to 10 minutes. Add a second battle, Enterprise and Constellation trying to stall the machine before it destroys another planet: 5 to 10 minutes. That's an extra 20 to 30 minutes right there, the rest can be filled out with character development and tension building.
Or we could dust off some of the old Treklit concepts and allude to the Doomsday machine being built as a last-ditch weapon against an even GREATER enemy (the Borg) and turn this into a triology.If we are going to have wild retcons, I say its from the Galactic Empire. Or Scorpius or the Peacekeepers. Or the Cylons.
Realistically they won't incorporate the Constellation unless they retcon the class of ship. You'll never see two of the same class of ship on the screen. It's almost just a rule of the films.
Plus, why the Constellation at all? I think it would be pretty coincidental for the Enterprise to encounter anything it encountered in the prime universe, much less the Enterprise and the Constellation. But we know these writers don't care a lick about determinism.
Plus, why the Constellation at all? I think it would be pretty coincidental for the Enterprise to encounter anything it encountered in the prime universe, much less the Enterprise and the Constellation. But we know these writers don't care a lick about determinism.
I really don't care who they encounter or defeat. My focus here is a solid film with solid character development between all seven members on the cast. They're the youngest, if not the youngest, senior crew in Starfleet riding around in the flagship of the fleet.
Give me conflict on how to over come the pundits and critics, give me conflict on how they over come odds with each other and those around them... Give more depth to what was already established in the first film.
Make these characters real with some lens flare thrown in. Make me feel like I'm watching Kirk and the crew, re-imagined. I want that nostalgia but I also want that fresh taste. If Orci and Kurtzman do that, I'll have their babies.
or if they give me a shirtless spock scene, then i wouldn't care either way
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Give me conflict on how to over come the pundits and critics, give me conflict on how they over come odds with each other and those around them... Give more depth to what was already established in the first film.
Make these characters real with some lens flare thrown in. Make me feel like I'm watching Kirk and the crew, re-imagined. I want that nostalgia but I also want that fresh taste. If Orci and Kurtzman do that, I'll have their babies.
or if they give me a shirtless spock scene, then i wouldn't care either way
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A new engineering is a good idea, but no damn lava lamp! The last movie FINALLY showed redundant/multiple warp cores... they need to keep that idea.
EmoSpock and nuUhura need to break up. No more make out scenes in inappropriate public places. EmoSpock needs to find peace in actual logic, with emo outbursts much more the rarity.
As for the villain, on to NEW adventures rather than rehashing old ones.
EmoSpock and nuUhura need to break up. No more make out scenes in inappropriate public places. EmoSpock needs to find peace in actual logic, with emo outbursts much more the rarity.
As for the villain, on to NEW adventures rather than rehashing old ones.
So...how close are we to getting any actual real news about the movie?
How soon does casting start? I don't think I'd expect much of anything before major guest roles start getting filled, and even when filming starts there'll still be a pretty tight lid on everything.hey, we can always break up Nyota/Spock
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So...how close are we to getting any actual real news about the movie?
Nah, they need only write in a throwaway line or an engineering display graphic indicating they have a new use for beer in the 23rd century, which is why the Enterprise carries an impressive brewery.
You've never heard of quantum foam? It's practically necessary to warp drive! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_foam
Well, I think Trek XII will about thing that happen in TOS but twisted because of the event of Trek XI.
but in Individual level, I see that :
1. Kirk will face his first problem with Starfleet Regulation. The High Command and even Spock will question his capability as captain. Somebody will tell that he is too young as a captain. And... Kirk will do something wrong at the first part of the story that make his situation worst.
2. Mc Coy will face his first away mission and complain a lot.
3. Spock will face some trouble with his relation with Uhura.
4. Sulu, Chekov, Scotty..., well I don't know.
but in Individual level, I see that :
1. Kirk will face his first problem with Starfleet Regulation. The High Command and even Spock will question his capability as captain. Somebody will tell that he is too young as a captain. And... Kirk will do something wrong at the first part of the story that make his situation worst.
2. Mc Coy will face his first away mission and complain a lot.
3. Spock will face some trouble with his relation with Uhura.
4. Sulu, Chekov, Scotty..., well I don't know.
1. That I see is the most plausible scenario for the next movie. Hot headed bad boy gets command of his own ship in 3 years? Its not a field of daisies and it will be a struggle for Kirk to overcome
2. Hahaha if this happens it will only be fodder
3. I do not understand why everyone suspects that Kurtzman and Orci are going to run this relationship through the mud and or attempt to kill it in this movie. This is like their biggest break from canon and the #1 element of their Trek that they consider their own and love. I doubt they are going to kill Spock/Uhura or develop some detrimental conflict.
4. Sulu and Chekov can do their buddy thing. Scotty can do his Saving the Ship at the Last Minute with Ingenious Engineering thing.
The force that the Enterprise goes up against is going to be the Klingons, and there are going to be some really nasty ones. Count on it! The next movie will probably continue within the same time frame that STXI ended. It's not hard to figure out why Kirk was promoted to captain, he and the Enterprise did defeat Nero and his Romulan crew, something the nearly annihilated Klingon armada couldn't do, and they would hold him in high regard. Be looking for peace initiatives as a cover for the real mission. I'm looking for this movie to confirm a 20 year old suspicion I've had, concerning another Star Trek movie, that Nimoy had influence in. Got a feeling we are in for some revelations that make the Spock/Uhura romance pale in comparison.
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