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Atheist Club. Begin.

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It's a play on words. Like the old joke, "Thor?" and the punchline is "well, it hurthz (hurts)".

My answer, "depends on whether it's raining outside" uses that play on words. A common side effect of rain/humidity is to cause arthritic inflammation in those who have rheumatoid arthritis. So, "depends on whether it's raining outside" alludes to his god being "sore" because it's raining outside.

It's a joke.
 
^ what you consider yourself confuses me. Elaborate please.

(Sorry this is such a lame quote; multi-quote has defeated me).

When I left the Catholic Church, the traditional idea of a personal supreme deity became just absurd to me. I was a strict scientific materialist for about 2 years, and found it almost completely satisfying, but the sense that there was something more never really left me (the sense of the numinous, I think it's sometimes called), even though I tried. I eventually accepted that I was too spiritually/mystically minded to remain a materialist.

I find that Taoism most closely expresses my understanding nowadays. Some people might call the Tao a "god", but it's totally impersonal, more of a principle than an entity, and nothing at all like the Triune God of my youth.

But along with that go some ideas that a strict materialist would probably reject, such as the notion of chi or its use in reiki energy healing. But my life goes smoother when I try to follow the principles of the Tao, and I have personally experienced the effects of chi, so it works for me.

I call it atheist in the original sense, a-theist, not against god, but simply without god. I also consider myself to be an existentialist: there is no purpose to life except what we ourselves make of it. I find this idea very liberating, and I don't understand why some people think it's bleak.
 
I was raised by atheists, am an atheist, despite going to a Catholic high school and a Quaker college.

Sorry, pardon, I haven't read the thread through although I might yet, but I probably won't really contribute. I just have to ask, cause I'm curious. Which Quaker college? :)
 
now this is funny as shit

In a small Texas town, ( Mt. Vernon ) Drummond’s bar began construction on a new building to increase their business.. The local Baptist church started a campaign to block the bar from opening with petitions and prayers. Work progressed right up till the week before opening when lightning struck the bar and it burned to the ground.

The church folks were rather smug in their outlook after that, until the bar owner sued the church on the grounds that the church was ultimately responsible for the demise of his building, either through direct or indirect actions or means.

The church vehemently denied all responsibility or any connection to the building's demise in its reply to the court.

As the case made its way into court, the judge looked over the paperwork. At the hearing he commented, “I don't know how I’m going to decide this, but as it appears from the paperwork, we have a bar owner who believes in the power of prayer, and an entire church congregation that does not.”
 
Those people are idiots, if they really believed their prayers caused the fire they should have loudly pleased guilty.

Yep. I doubt they believed. They were probably just being asses, and once it happened, realized that being such an open, public ass came with a price. THAT'S when they want to push it off on god. They should have been smarter and read Matthew 6:5. Goes both ways.
 
Those people are idiots, if they really believed their prayers caused the fire they should have loudly pleased guilty.

Yep. I doubt they believed. They were probably just being asses, and once it happened, realized that being such an open, public ass came with a price. THAT'S when they want to push it off on god. They should have been smarter and read Matthew 6:5. Goes both ways.

Really, you doubt they believed that their prayers were why the place burned down? I have no trouble believing they believed it. That's why I find their denial so odious. They really missed an opportunity there, rejoicing in having a hand in smiting and rejoicing in being persecuted for the smiting.
 
Those people are idiots, if they really believed their prayers caused the fire they should have loudly pleased guilty.

Yep. I doubt they believed. They were probably just being asses, and once it happened, realized that being such an open, public ass came with a price. THAT'S when they want to push it off on god. They should have been smarter and read Matthew 6:5. Goes both ways.

Really, you doubt they believed that their prayers were why the place burned down? I have no trouble believing they believed it. That's why I find their denial so odious. They really missed an opportunity there, rejoicing in having a hand in smiting and rejoicing in being persecuted for the smiting.

Kinda. I believe they didn't believe their prayers would do anything, like they were essentially taking the piss. Then, the lightning thing happens after they've mouthed off about their just and righteous god, and they realize they may have just bitten off more than they can chew. So what I'm doing is agreeing with you, but also showing lots of contempt for their hypocrisy. :D
 
Well I bet they did not believe lightening was going to do it but rather thought some permit difficulties or money and/or personal difficulties on the part of the bar owner would shut it down. Had it been any of those things the bar owner would not have been able to bring the case I think.

I was once the focus of a 6 month world wide prayer chain campaign against me. It made me a bit sad because it felt so icky but everything they were praying against happened not only smoothly but insanely smoothly. Had anyone been praying for it they would have considered the ease of these events to be a sign from God, LOLOL
 
Well I bet they did not believe lightening was going to do it but rather thought some permit difficulties or money and/or personal difficulties on the part of the bar owner would shut it down. Had it been any of those things the bar owner would not have been able to bring the case I think.

I was once the focus of a 6 month world wide prayer chain campaign against me. It made me a bit sad because it felt so icky but everything they were praying against happened not only smoothly but insanely smoothly. Had anyone been praying for it they would have considered the ease of these events to be a sign from God, LOLOL

You too? Once, my (nearly) whole family prayed against me because they felt I was wicked for being a liberal. Nothing bad happened, but they keep believing it will. So you know, the first instance of any random negative event that takes place in the next however many years, they'll take the credit for it as a sign god is angry with me. You can't rationalize with that kind of stupidity, or at least, I know I can't.
 
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