Plinkett gets REVENGE

[Neroon]

I think it is fairly obvious that Anakin was created because the Ori wanted to create the Orici, after Spock went back in time to prevent the first Cylon War, but ended up creating an alternate 1985 in which Superman was able to save Lois from an earthquake.

- nicely played, sir!

 

[Mach5]

I think it is fairly obvious that Anakin was created because the Ori wanted to create the Orici, after Spock went back in time to prevent the first Cylon War, but ended up creating an alternate 1985 in which Superman was able to save Lois from an earthquake.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

I think Rick is a sap, but obviously he made that comment with confidence. he knew what was what.

If you want to believe Rick McCallum's word as gospel that's certainly your prerogative. But given the number of times Rick was often wrong about what was in the movie or not, what was in the story or not, or what the story was about or not, I'm pretty sure, confident or not, that he didn't know what was what. And really, can anyone really claim to know exactly what GL intended in any given scene? Especially considering Lucas' fetish with changing the story in the editing room right up until the last possible moment before release? It's certainly possible that he's right ... but there's just no way I am taking Rick seriously as an authority on anything to do with the story.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

First of all, Rick and George were both doing the commentary track on the DVD along with others. I'll grant that each guy mighty have been recorded separately, even though I can say that at least some of them were obviously recorded together. However, it does seem to me that each guy is aware of what the other commentators are saying. Even more, it does seem that each guy is reallycareful about what they are saying, what Lucas may or may not want em to reveal. A big story point like that would not have come out of Rick's mouth and not face correction from George had there not been some truth to it.

 

[JarodRussell]

And really, can anyone really claim to know exactly what GL intended in any given scene? Especially considering Lucas' fetish with changing the story in the editing room right up until the last possible moment before release?

I think McCallum can do that at least a lot better than you or any of us, given that he, actually, you know, worked on that film as - dare I say it - the producer.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

I think McCallum can do that at least a lot better than you or any of us, given that he, actually, you know, worked on that film.

Better than you or I? Absolutely. With enough certainty that I'm going to accept his word as the final say on any given scene? Not with his track record of misinformation regarding the story and content of the PT.

First of all, Rick and George were both doing the commentary track on the DVD along with others. I'll grant that each guy mighty have been recorded separately, even though I can say that at least some of them were obviously recorded together. However, it does seem to me that each guy is aware of what the other commentators are saying. Even more, it does seem that each guy is reallycareful about what they are saying, what Lucas may or may not want em to reveal. A big story point like that would not have come out of Rick's mouth and not face correction from George had there not been some truth to it.

Like I said ... if you find Rick to be a reliable source of the inner workings of the PT ... well ... have at it. But while it is possible that Rick's actually 100% correct on this (for once) ... there's no way I'm taking his word for it. It's the whole "boy who cried wolf" thing and all.

 

[JarodRussell]

I think McCallum can do that at least a lot better than you or any of us, given that he, actually, you know, worked on that film.

Better than you or I? Absolutely. With enough certainty that I'm going to accept his word as the final say on any given scene? Not with his track record of misinformation regarding the story and content of the PT.

First of all, Rick and George were both doing the commentary track on the DVD along with others. I'll grant that each guy mighty have been recorded separately, even though I can say that at least some of them were obviously recorded together. However, it does seem to me that each guy is aware of what the other commentators are saying. Even more, it does seem that each guy is reallycareful about what they are saying, what Lucas may or may not want em to reveal. A big story point like that would not have come out of Rick's mouth and not face correction from George had there not been some truth to it.

Like I said ... if you find Rick to be a reliable source of the inner workings of the PT ... well ... have at it. But while it is possible that Rick's actually 100% correct on this (for once) ... there's no way I'm taking his word for it. It's the whole "boy who cried wolf" thing and all.

Is "denial" the right word for this?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I thinkGeorge would have said something if Rick was incorrect

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Is "denial" the right word for this?

Seriously? You went there? It's called skepticism not denial.

I thinkGeorge would have said something if Rick was incorrect

I'll say again ... if it works for you ... more power to you. And heck, maybe he really is right. But without any other confirmation (and especially considering that your paraphrase of McCallum's commentary is not entirely correct), I will remain ... skeptical.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Do you really want me to drag out my DVd to see how close I was, and to re-emphasize the point that George was sitting right there?

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Do you really want me to drag out my DVd to see how close I was, and to re-emphasize the point that George was sitting right there?

Yes. Can you provide proof that GL was sitting right next to Rick during the exact moment when Rick made his statement? And can you please provide an exact quote from Rick?

EDIT:
On second thought, don't bother with the quote. Here it is in full.:

It's such a creepy little scene. It's just so bold and so audacious to put it in this kind of setting, and having this weird blob in front of you music playing and all of this really essential information in terms of the origins of Anakin. Palpatine's overriding, unbelievable confession of not only how he came to power but also of this crucial element that is the hook that finally drags Anakin down.
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Notice that, according to Rick, Palpatine is confessing two things: His rise to power and "the origins of Anakin". Even if we were to take Rick completely at his word, the "origins of Anakin" in the scene come from the ability of Darth Plagueis -- not Sidious -- to influence the MC to create life.

Like I said. It's still possible that Palpatine created Anakin ... but I'm skeptical.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Like I said I don't know for certain that they were recorded together (some people definitely were as was indicated in the beginning when Rick and an SFX supervisor had a laugh. The point is it is clear that since this is an official commentary track that each guy would be as accurate as possible with what they say.

RICK: ...all of this really essential information in terms of the origins of anakin, palpatine's overriding unbelievable confession of how he came to power


He says it as the Plageous story is being told

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

He obviously was connecting the origins of Anakin with Palpatine. Hence the remark of "Palpatine's confession"

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Rick didn't explicitly state that "Palpatine confessed that he created Anakin." We certainly can make that inference (based on his words and the context of the scene), but it's not explicit and, therefore, open to interpretation. Like much of what Rick says, actually. So again. It's possible. And if it's enough for you, that's perfectly fine by me. But without any other confirmation I remain skeptical.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Sorry that was disrespectful I've been up all night.

Sure I'll agree inso much as Rick is an idiot.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

He obviously was connecting the origins of Anakin with Palpatine. Hence the remark of "Palpatine's confession"

The exegesis of Rick McCallum? That's new.

 

[infinix]

Has anyone ever asked GL point blank in an interview just how Anakin was conceived?

 

[Gaith]

Didn't the ROTS novelization come right out and say it?

Ah, never mind, these movies suck! PM me if you wanna Pizza Roll.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Didn't the ROTS novelization come right out and say it?

Even if it is, the novel isn't in my "personal canon" so ...

EDIT:
I actually tried reading the novelization years ago and the language was so ridiculous that I couldn't get past the first few pages without laughing -- eerily like the reaction some people had to the opening of the film, I know.

 

[Set Harth]

Now, again, Lucas may have intended for the prophecy to be Anakin defeating the Sith, but what was intended never made it on film

It made it on film in two places in ROTS. It wasn't thrown out by their speculation in one of those places about whether or not the prophecy was misread, because that was about whether or not Anakin was the Chosen One, not what the Chosen One was supposed to do, and anyone who had seen ROTJ knew that the Jedi doubt on that issue would ultimately not be supported by events, so the prophecy was actually not misread in the sense suggested. In fact, anyone who had seen ROTJ should probably have guessed what "bringing balance to the Force" meant without being told by ROTS, just from knowing in advance about Anakin's final actions.

Didn't the ROTS novelization come right out and say it?

No, it did not.

Rick McCullum said something along the lines of "Palpatine's incredible confession that he created Anakin".

No, he did not say that. From the actual quote:

all of this really essential information in terms of the origins of Anakin, Palpatine's overriding, unbelievable confession of not only how he came to power but also of this crucial element that is the hook that finally drags Anakin down.

The reference to a confession is explicitly about Palpatine "confessing" to killing his master ( and, perhaps, the power to save people from dying ), but it doesn't come until after he's already mentioned Anakin's origin. The pieces of information are being alluded to sequentially. All this says is that the origins of Anakin are being explored, not specifically who created him. It never says that Palpatine confessed to it.