But he was around for those changes and was aware of them.
And Bab 5's CGI looked like complete shit.
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But he was around for those changes and was aware of them.
And Bab 5's CGI looked like complete shit.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
But you got to admit, it got the job done, and it was a great start for CGI on TV and elsewhere, making possible later shows like Space: Above And Beyond and Battlestar Galactica, and without it, most of what was seen on Babylon 5 would never have happened or would have had to be scrapped (imagine if we could really see the battle of Wolf 359 instead of hearing about it!)
Seeing the battle would have taken more time out of the real story. That was the problem DS9 suffered from, Voyager suffered from, Enterprise suffered from, the new Star Wars movie suffer from and many movies suffering from. Wasting time on showing us bullshit action sequences when the same time can be spent on story-telling. Seeing the battle at Wolf 359 would've ruined any impact that it could have had, I don't need to see a bunch of late-80s CGI sprites get blown up with too-orange of fire to get an impact on the devastation of the battle. It's far more chilling when the Enterprise arrives late and we get the impact that the characters show of the aftermath because those characters have more vested in the battle since they've a concept of the lives, the equipment, and the people involved. I don't so seeing some CGI-space ship getting blown up means nothing to me but it DOES mean something to Riker and Shelby.
So, yeah, I don't want to see the Battle at Wolf 359 and what little we saw of it in DS9's pilot (more so the impact it had on Sisko and his family) is more meaningful than anything TNG could have done.
I wouldn't want to see the full battle either. Remember the lesson from Jaws.
Mechanical sharks sink?
I took Kelthaz to mean "less is more".
So the mechanical shark in Jaws didn't sink?
I think Bruce malfunctionated all over the place.
Bruce, the mechanical shark in Jaws, was prone to unreliability (as most machines built in the 1970s put in water do), there was only so much stock footage of sharks could provide and training/using real sharks wasn't practical at all. So in the movie "Jaws" with the budget he had Spielberg was forced to hold Jaws back until just the right times and even then we more often saw the effects of his attacks rather than seeing the attacks themselves.
As a result we get the great scene when Brodie first sees it, then there's the various scenes featuring them shooting the harpoons at the submerged Jaws, the scene of Jaws taking out the transom and then the side of the Orca's hull. It also has one of cinema's most chilling openings when a bikini-clad redshirt gets killed by an unseen Jaws while hanging onto a buoy.
Because the shark couldn't be seen or used much we also get a lot of great character moments including the entire scene inside the Orca from when everyone (excluding Brodie) share scars, Quint's awesome retelling of his experiences with the Indianapolis and the trio's singing before Jaws attacks again, unseen.
Had Spielberg had the capability to show Jaws more we may not have gotten a lot of great stuff out of the movie and a generation of movie watchers wouldn't be afraid of the water.
Compare Jaws 1 to the sequels where the shark was used, and seen, more and the movies focused more on the attacks, and seeing them, more than characters, plot, and story.
Give movie/TV makers the ability to show effects sequences and that's more of what they will give you sacrificing suspense and story in the process. Some of the best suspense movies and scary movies hardly show the thing we're to fear until just the right moments but mostly rely on the psychological fear play as people's minds fill int he gaps with something more scary than what special effects can provide.
Seeing the Borg battle at Wolf 359 would've ruined any dramatic impact the reaction scene could have had.
As a result we get the great scene when Brodie first sees it, then there's the various scenes featuring them shooting the harpoons at the submerged Jaws, the scene of Jaws taking out the transom and then the side of the Orca's hull. It also has one of cinema's most chilling openings when a bikini-clad redshirt gets killed by an unseen Jaws while hanging onto a buoy.
Because the shark couldn't be seen or used much we also get a lot of great character moments including the entire scene inside the Orca from when everyone (excluding Brodie) share scars, Quint's awesome retelling of his experiences with the Indianapolis and the trio's singing before Jaws attacks again, unseen.
Had Spielberg had the capability to show Jaws more we may not have gotten a lot of great stuff out of the movie and a generation of movie watchers wouldn't be afraid of the water.
Compare Jaws 1 to the sequels where the shark was used, and seen, more and the movies focused more on the attacks, and seeing them, more than characters, plot, and story.
Give movie/TV makers the ability to show effects sequences and that's more of what they will give you sacrificing suspense and story in the process. Some of the best suspense movies and scary movies hardly show the thing we're to fear until just the right moments but mostly rely on the psychological fear play as people's minds fill int he gaps with something more scary than what special effects can provide.
Seeing the Borg battle at Wolf 359 would've ruined any dramatic impact the reaction scene could have had.
Yes, but around here we take our jokes very, very seriously.
+1
I agree completely with this.
It was a good feeling to see my friend finally get his due. For once his character was the center of attention. Jimmy's acting star shined brightly in this episode.
The morals of the story are:
- respect your elders, because they still have something to contribute.
- rely on your experience more than technology (for all their 24th century technology, it took Scotty to save the day).
For those who keep saying how useless Scotty was in this episode, I suspect you may not fare well when your technology cannot help you... most tech-dependent people could not.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
One other thing I forgot to mention about that version of the Captain's Yacht; it has no warp drive. It's meant to serve as a launch that goes from ship to planet, and little else, IIRC.
