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Stardate for Dummies

Stardate 2233.04=January 4, 2233

Probably not. After all, 2233.04 must be the same as 2233.040 if we're going to have three digits past the decimal point later in the year anyway.

And it's not as if Kirk could be unsure about the proper day by dozens of days! Yet he is in doubt about the second digit past the comma when doing his Delta Vega castaway log. So it apparently stands for days at most, and more probably for hours.

So the only thing about the system that really makes "more" sense than the older stardate systems is that the first four digits spell the year - which was the dramatic purpose of the entire change, so that Nero could query Robau about the year.

And that still makes very little sense, because Nero would glean very little information content from what Robau says, quite regardless of whether he uses plain Earth years or ancient Earth stardates. It's only for the audience, but doesn't work in the in-universe context at all. Something on the lines of "Why, it's stardate 6523.2, of course" followed by Nero and his lieutenant discussing this revelation in terms of actual years (perhaps in subtitled Romulan) would have made logical sense, but would not have been dramatically as simplistic as the rest of the movie, and would have ill served the scene.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Don't underthink it.

The original version is worthless and still overthought, as there's no pressing need to give the final digits any rational explanation. If they are supposed to have one, we don't have enough evidence to divine it yet.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Indeed, no examples of just letting it be come to mind right now...

It doesn't seem the makers of STXI would have had any specific intentions on the use of the final digits, save for the fact that having them at all makes the date look TOS'ish. OTOH, it doesn't seem that January 4th would be any better or worse a birthday for Jim Kirk than any other. All we know is that he celebrates his birth when it's not snowing in San Francisco...

The 40th day of the year wouldn't be a bad bet either, tho.

Timo Saloniemi
 
It doesn't seem the makers of STXI would have had any specific intentions on the use of the final digits, save for the fact that having them at all makes the date look TOS'ish.
They did actually put more thought into than just that. I believe it was Orci who devised that the stardates in Star Trek XI consisted of 365 units.
Memory Alpha said:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Stardate
Stardates from the latest film were developed by screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. According to Orci, they "used the system where, for example, 2233.45 or whatever means 23rd century, 33rd year of that century, and the .45 indicates the day of the year out of 365 days."
 
It doesn't seem the makers of STXI would have had any specific intentions on the use of the final digits, save for the fact that having them at all makes the date look TOS'ish.
They did actually put more thought into than just that. I believe it was Orci who devised that the stardates in Star Trek XI consisted of 365 units.
Memory Alpha said:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Stardate
Stardates from the latest film were developed by screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. According to Orci, they "used the system where, for example, 2233.45 or whatever means 23rd century, 33rd year of that century, and the .45 indicates the day of the year out of 365 days."

But if it's based on 365 units... then the 45th day should be .045, or else the date Robau quotes would be 2233.4 not 2233.04.

Everything left of the decimal is the year, everything to the right is just gibberish.
 
It doesn't seem the makers of STXI would have had any specific intentions on the use of the final digits, save for the fact that having them at all makes the date look TOS'ish.
They did actually put more thought into than just that. I believe it was Orci who devised that the stardates in Star Trek XI consisted of 365 units.
Memory Alpha said:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Stardate
Stardates from the latest film were developed by screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. According to Orci, they "used the system where, for example, 2233.45 or whatever means 23rd century, 33rd year of that century, and the .45 indicates the day of the year out of 365 days."

But if it's based on 365 units... then the 45th day should be .045, or else the date Robau quotes would be 2233.4 not 2233.04. Seems their method is just as much gibberish as the original. :lol:

It was a script error, similar to the one in which the Federation (not Starfleet) was described as an armada. Orci did, however, repeat in more than one interview the 365 units concept for stardates, though.

Another error that slipped through unnoticed was that actor playing Robau said the entire stardate without a decimal point.
 
I'm not arguing that it wasn't an error in this case. But could it just be a simpler way of saying it?

Like how we might say "3-29-11" instead of March 29th, 2011? If this new "stardate" always has the first four digits, the decimal could just be implied without actually having to say it.

Anyway, just a random thought.
 
Robau counts from 01 to 365, because he's not a double-oh captain.

We don't know what happened. The writers may have started with the fraction of a year, then decided to simplify it to the day of a year. Until we obtain more evidence, equating .04 with .4 is mere guesswork.
 
Another error that slipped through unnoticed was that actor playing Robau said the entire stardate without a decimal point.

I noticed this, but I guess being familiar with the stardate format it never bothered me and those new to Star Trek wouldn't know the '.' was suppose to be there to begin with. :techman:
 
Another error that slipped through unnoticed was that actor playing Robau said the entire stardate without a decimal point.

I noticed this, but I guess being familiar with the stardate format it never bothered me and those new to Star Trek wouldn't know the '.' was suppose to be there to begin with. :techman:
Mistakes happen. Either we run with them or look to see what was supposed to really be there, IMO...
 
Another error that slipped through unnoticed was that actor playing Robau said the entire stardate without a decimal point.

I noticed this, but I guess being familiar with the stardate format it never bothered me and those new to Star Trek wouldn't know the '.' was suppose to be there to begin with. :techman:
Mistakes happen. Either we run with them or look to see what was supposed to really be there, IMO...

But we'll never truly know what the intent was.
 
I noticed this, but I guess being familiar with the stardate format it never bothered me and those new to Star Trek wouldn't know the '.' was suppose to be there to begin with. :techman:
Mistakes happen. Either we run with them or look to see what was supposed to really be there, IMO...

But we'll never truly know what the intent was.
Actually, Orci did say there were 365 units in a stardate year, so that was the intent.
 
Mistakes happen. Either we run with them or look to see what was supposed to really be there, IMO...

But we'll never truly know what the intent was.
Actually, Orci did say there were 365 units in a stardate year, so that was the intent.

So when was the Jellyfish actually built? When Spock(2) asks it merely informs him 'stardate 2387'. This would seem amazingly vague for a Vulcan built craft.
 
But we'll never truly know what the intent was.
Actually, Orci did say there were 365 units in a stardate year, so that was the intent.

It's always easy to state intent after the fact. Whether that was the case when the script was written, we'll never know.
So we just go with what we do know from Orci, that's its now based off a system of 365 units a year.
So when was the Jellyfish actually built? When Spock(2) asks it merely informs him 'stardate 2387'. This would seem amazingly vague for a Vulcan built craft.
Not really. It simply said the most basic facts. It likely would give out more specific information upon demand.
 
All I can say is this:

These kids seem pretty close to graduation. So much so that McCoy is already assigned as a senior medical officer aboard the Enterprise and that Uhura is treating her posting to the Farrgut as a permanent assignment.

Later in the movie both Kirk and Spock give the Stardate as 2258.42.

It makes more sense (to me) to equate 2258.42 as June 2nd,2258 than February 11,2258.

YMMV.
 
O/K will probably stick to YYYY.DOY in the future, but we don't know if that was intended originally or how to map .06 and .04 to this system.
 
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