In other words, there's still absolutely no official reason for me to believe that she isn't.
An Origin for Saavik
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But no valid reason for you to oppose LeadHead's position, either - the one in which he said your belief lacks support, official or otherwise, and the Curtis portrayal doesn't count as such.
That is, the two interpretations on Saavik's heritage are on an equal footing if the cut piece stays cut, not biased in favor of Saavik being a full Vulcan.
Timo Saloniemi
That is, the two interpretations on Saavik's heritage are on an equal footing if the cut piece stays cut, not biased in favor of Saavik being a full Vulcan.
Timo Saloniemi
Heck, I'm the one being opposed that Saavik is a full-blooded Vulcan. I don't have to accept the idea "just because they don't say she isn't mixed, doesn't mean that she isn't" because you and LeadHead said so. I'm not forcing my opinion on you, so don't force yours on me.
So unless there's some official proof that Saavik is only half-Vulcan, I'll just go with that she's Vulcan and leave any other idea to non-canon stuff.
Same species? No. Very closely related? Yes.
Romulans have never been shown to be any stronger than humans, they don't have the refined empathic abilities. They (or the Vulcans) are a sub-species at best.
I'm okay with Saavik being half Romulan, I just don't see her as Spock's daughter.
Then what's up with the Remans? Are they related to the Romulans at all? (Or do the rest of you think like me that they were just a [weak] plot point in Nemesis that should have been stricken from the script?)
But you are, by claiming that LeadHead's dismissal of "she behaves like I think a full Vulcan ought to, therefore she is one" is invalid. It's quite valid, and allows for any and all choices on Saavik's heritage as long as the cut bit stays cut. Your claim that it's invalid means Saavik is a full Vulcan, which means forcing an opinion on others (even though it amusingly enough happens to be an opinion you yourself don't support).
It's a messy business. But summary "Nuff said" dismissals are what makes it messy. On screen, it's pretty clear-cut: if that single scene is accepted, then Saavik is half Romulan and half something else, and if it's not, then Saavik is something else. She may be full Vulcan, full Rigelian, or half earthworm for all we care.
Timo Saloniemi
Nonsense. Stop making stuff up.
All I said was that I'll go with the idea that Saavik is a full-Vulcan.
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I've never had a problem with the half-Romulan background. I'll stick with that.
Yes to this. Her being Spock's daughter would really be a flaming example of the small universe syndrome & more or less eww after TSFS.
I would think being an "off shoot" of the Vulcans makes them the same species. They've only been apart for a couple millennia. Not enough time to become a seperate species.
That difference might be as slight as the ones between a German and a Cambodian.Enterprise Incident said:
Please don't change what I wrote.
The Romulans and Vulcans only split 2000 years prior to TNG - not long enough for a lot of change, especially with Vulcanoid lifespans.
Canon is inconsistant on their abilities. Enterprise repeatedly gave us human-strength Vulcans and STXI gave us super-strong (and agile) Romulans.
Romulan telepathy has never been seen, but it may be outlawed in a similar fashion to that of ENT-era Vulcans. Diane Duane's old novels explain it away by saying the art was lost during the generations-long journey from Vulcan to Romulus.
I didn't. My use of "..." and the inclusion of the
Please don't change what I wrote.
that anyone can click on meant there was more.
They probably view is as kindda like invasion of privacy Romulan going around mind-melding, taking advantage of the situation, or reading other Romulans' or aliens' emotions.... It's unethical and immoral.
Might have something to do with their paranoia too. Though I can see the Tal Shiar teaching their agents about the meld and other techniques for interrogation and espionage purposes.
200 years was considered old even by Vulcans, so we're talking more than 10 generations. With all the planets they seeded between Vulcan and Romulus, and the question of whether the Remans are offshoots of Romulans that more than enough time for an adaption due to climate or atmosphere to change the fundamental make-up of Romulan physiology.
For all we know the Romulans in STXI had cybernetic implants boosting attributes. It makes a certain amount of sense if you accept the comic prequel to STXI.
Given how adept Romulans are at intelligence/counter-intelligence and practically base their entire society around back-stabbing and interrogation, outlawing telepathy wouldn't make an ounce of logical sense.
Anyway, why would it be even noteworthy that Saavik might be part Romulan, I mean, she's not a Vulcan/Vulcan hybrid. Why was Simon Tarses career ended when it was mentioned that his paternal grandfather was Romulan and not Vulcan.
Given all these obvious differences, I think it's fair to say that Romulans are different enough socially and physically to not be the same species as Vulcans.
Is there another group of humans with telepathy...? Other than Mutants I mean... who aren't human.
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