TOS Remastered

[Forbin]

Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through. Struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums.

Ya gotta stop growing your weed in the window box, man.

 

[plynch]

Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through. Struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums.

Ya gotta stop growing your weed in the window box, man.

Risk is our business.

 

[Destructor]

For the sake of clarity, the original effects footage is also on film. The problem is that cranked up to HD, all the little irregularities of optical compositing, that went relatively unnoticed on the typical color tv set back in the day (and started to become visible when the resolution of the typical home set doubled) become glaringly obvious.

I was happier as a child watching them on black and white fuzzy UHF than as an adult in HD.

If you give a baby a three-object mobile it makes him or her happy and interested. If you give 'em a 10-item mobile, THEN a three item mobile, the three item one now sucks. Where does it stop?

Humanity is always improving- isn't that one of the core tenets of Trek? Why should we stop? HD colour is better than fuzzy B&W. There, I said it! I don't care who knows it! HD is better! That's why we switched to it, because it's heaps better! Put on vaseline-smeared glasses if you don't like it!

 

[BillJ]

Humanity is always improving- isn't that one of the core tenets of Trek? Why should we stop? HD colour is better than fuzzy B&W. There, I said it! I don't care who knows it! HD is better! That's why we switched to it, because it's heaps better! Put on vaseline-smeared glasses if you don't like it!

Technically better? Yes. Better, more engaging experience? Debatable.

Thing I've noticed is how much easier it is to get thrown out of a story in the HD era, thanks to the higher resolution. Standard definition hid many production sins.

Plus, there was something gratifying about snagging that snowy signal out of Dayton or Louisville at 1AM.

 

[Forbin]

Thing I've noticed is how much easier it is to get thrown out of a story in the HD era, thanks to the higher resolution. Standard definition hid many production sins.

Like when you can clearly see the dividing line of Nimoy's earpieces and the very clear texture of his pancake makeup, and Takei's very sharply defined eyeliner, or the slight color difference between an actress' real hair and a fall, or that pesky zipper sticking out that you never noticed before...

 

[plynch]

Thing I've noticed is how much easier it is to get thrown out of a story in the HD era, thanks to the higher resolution. Standard definition hid many production sins.

Like when you can clearly see the dividing line of Nimoy's earpieces and the very clear texture of his pancake makeup, and Takei's very sharply defined eyeliner, or the slight color difference between an actress' real hair and a fall, or that pesky zipper sticking out that you never noticed before...

Glad I still just watch my "normal" DVDs. They sound better than the HD remastereds in an important way.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Thing I've noticed is how much easier it is to get thrown out of a story in the HD era, thanks to the higher resolution. Standard definition hid many production sins.

Like when you can clearly see the dividing line of Nimoy's earpieces and the very clear texture of his pancake makeup, and Takei's very sharply defined eyeliner, or the slight color difference between an actress' real hair and a fall, or that pesky zipper sticking out that you never noticed before...

I love spotting all that stuff in HD, its almost added another level of involvement into the show for me personally, but i can see why it would possible ruin it for some though...but i love it.

 

[Forbin]

Well, it takes out of the story when you're constantly reminded that you're watching actors in makeup. Suspension of disbelief becomes suspended, as it were.

 

[Doug Otte]

Thing I've noticed is how much easier it is to get thrown out of a story in the HD era, thanks to the higher resolution. Standard definition hid many production sins.

Like when you can clearly see the dividing line of Nimoy's earpieces and the very clear texture of his pancake makeup, and Takei's very sharply defined eyeliner, or the slight color difference between an actress' real hair and a fall, or that pesky zipper sticking out that you never noticed before...

Glad I still just watch my "normal" DVDs. They sound better than the HD remastereds in an important way.

What way is that?

Doug

 

[BillJ]

Thing I've noticed is how much easier it is to get thrown out of a story in the HD era, thanks to the higher resolution. Standard definition hid many production sins.

Like when you can clearly see the dividing line of Nimoy's earpieces and the very clear texture of his pancake makeup, and Takei's very sharply defined eyeliner, or the slight color difference between an actress' real hair and a fall, or that pesky zipper sticking out that you never noticed before...

Glad I still just watch my "normal" DVDs. They sound better than the HD remastereds in an important way.

Honestly, I can pick out a lot of the faults on regular DVD as well. I made peace with those elements of Star Trek a long time ago. What I'm talking about is newer shows that still don't seem to realize that they are now in the age of High-Definition. YMMV.

 

[beamMe]

Well, it takes out of the story when you're constantly reminded that you're watching actors in makeup. Suspension of disbelief becomes suspended, as it were.

If that takes you out of the story, then either the story or the acting wasn't so good to begin with.
Or you are so familiar with the stories that you automatically focus on some detail that has now become visible.

 

[BillJ]

Well, it takes out of the story when you're constantly reminded that you're watching actors in makeup. Suspension of disbelief becomes suspended, as it were.

If that takes you out of the story, then either the story or the acting wasn't so good to begin with.
Or you are so familiar with the stories that you automatically focus on some detail that has now become visible.

I can't speak for Forbin... but I've seen every episode of Star Trek: The Original Series at least a dozen times each over the last thirty-five years. After you've seen something that many times, you can't help but to start paying attention to all the background details in a given episode.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Then take Star Trek out of the equation. Many times I've popped in a high def video of an old SF show and suddenly I can spot the wires holding up a model or an actor simulating weightlessness. And there's aren't shows I've worn out a zillion times. The techniques and shortcuts and compromises used are now far more obvious than before.

There was nothing wrong with Star Trek's effects when I watched the VHS tapes on a 27 inch cathode ray tube. But completely cleaned up and restored, shown in Supa Digital HD Blu-Ray miracle discs? Pronounced Crapulence. It's a trade off. I agree, for newly shot films and TV shows, I love it. On old shows relying on smoke, mirrors and fuzzy signals? Bad ju ju. I love having Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea totally restored for HD. But I don't love seeing more strings than before.

 

[beamMe]

Well, it takes out of the story when you're constantly reminded that you're watching actors in makeup. Suspension of disbelief becomes suspended, as it were.

If that takes you out of the story, then either the story or the acting wasn't so good to begin with.
Or you are so familiar with the stories that you automatically focus on some detail that has now become visible.

I can't speak for Forbin... but I've seen every episode of Star Trek: The Original Series at least a dozen times each over the last thirty-five years. After you've seen something that many times, you can't help but to start paying attention to all the background details in a given episode.

Yes, this is exactly what I meant.
And it's nothing negative either.

 

[Gary7]

I recently watched some of the 1st edition remastered version with untouched special effects. There are so many scenes where the Enterprise looks terrific. I really wish the new SFX could have captured that look and just corrected issues, like the Enterprise bobbing on a string or poorly depicted space engagements. Kind of a bummer, especially on the earlier episodes, where the CGI looks so fake.

 

[plynch]

Like when you can clearly see the dividing line of Nimoy's earpieces and the very clear texture of his pancake makeup, and Takei's very sharply defined eyeliner, or the slight color difference between an actress' real hair and a fall, or that pesky zipper sticking out that you never noticed before...

Glad I still just watch my "normal" DVDs. They sound better than the HD remastereds in an important way.

What way is that?

Doug

Less revealing of flaws that take people out of the story as they describe.

 

[Doug Otte]

Glad I still just watch my "normal" DVDs. They sound better than the HD remastereds in an important way.

What way is that?

Doug

Less revealing of flaws that take people out of the story as they describe.

Interesting. The lossless audio on the blu-rays takes you out of the story? The clarity of the image occasionally does that to me, but not the sound. What's different about the sound - do you hear more detail?

I'm not being sarcastic, btw; I'm really interested.

Doug

 

[BillJ]

What way is that?

Doug

Less revealing of flaws that take people out of the story as they describe.

Interesting. The lossless audio on the blu-rays takes you out of the story? The clarity of the image occasionally does that to me, but not the sound. What's different about the sound - do you hear more detail?

I'm not being sarcastic, btw; I'm really interested.

Doug

I don't think he meant the sound quality was better. Just that the DVD's in general were more what he was looking for.

 

[plynch]

I don't think he meant the sound quality was better. Just that the DVD's in general were more what he was looking for.

yup - my bad

They "seem" better, in re. not showing flaws as much as newer discs do.

Although, re. "sound," many people have commented negatively about the music in the openings.

 

[jayrath]

I recently watched some of the 1st edition remastered version with untouched special effects. There are so many scenes where the Enterprise looks terrific. I really wish the new SFX could have captured that look and just corrected issues, like the Enterprise bobbing on a string or poorly depicted space engagements. Kind of a bummer, especially on the earlier episodes, where the CGI looks so fake.

This is so wildly ignorant that I don't know where to begin. Neither TOS model was ever held by a string.

It reminds me of complaints about paper mache rocks. As if the TOS budget couldn't afford REAL rocks. Sheesh.