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Beyond TNG

Cpt. Chris Pike

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Was there any stories beyond TNG? Any future crew of the Enterprise?

Never really read any of the books, just curious what happens to the Enterprise after TNG.

Thanks!

Oh, and I am new around here, so hey!
 
Was there any stories beyond TNG? Any future crew of the Enterprise?

Never really read any of the books, just curious what happens to the Enterprise after TNG.

Thanks!

Oh, and I am new around here, so hey!

Both ST Online and The book series have a different future history. I prefer the novels myself. The Destiny and Typhon Pact books in particular. Aside for some of the Titan books, these are the only ST novels I've read in 12 years.

http://trekmovie.com/2011/01/16/library-computer-review-typhon-pact-zero-sum-game/

http://trekmovie.com/2010/11/30/read-first-chapter-of-star-trek-typhon-pact-seize-the-fire/

They include a heavy use of the Aventine starship:

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ST Online timeline:

http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1771
 
There's the 4 TNG movies, and then the TNG relaunch novel series which take place after Nemesis if you really want more TNG. In particular, I thought Greater than the Sum was fantastic, and I really enjoyed the Destiny trilogy as well.
 
Other futures include post-ST09 timeline and the All Good Things timeline.

I suppose the Titan books also include part of the the Enterprise crew.
 
What about Data? Does B4 become the new Data?

In the novel "The Needs of the Many", B4 does indeed become Data permanently and it is presumed he's the same Data in command of the Enterprise in the Countdown comic. Stupid, I know, but not any more stupid than Nemesis and the idea of B4 were anyway.
 
B4's positronic brain isn't as sophisticated. It would be like a V6 turning into a V8 after adding a different carb.
 
What about Data? Does B4 become the new Data?

In the novel "The Needs of the Many", B4 does indeed become Data permanently and it is presumed he's the same Data in command of the Enterprise in the Countdown comic. Stupid, I know, but not any more stupid than Nemesis and the idea of B4 were anyway.

That's a bummer. I refuse to believe that Data would even transfer all of his knowledge and memory to B4 since he strives to be an individual. Nemesis fucked up a lot of things.
 
What about Data? Does B4 become the new Data?

In the novel "The Needs of the Many", B4 does indeed become Data permanently and it is presumed he's the same Data in command of the Enterprise in the Countdown comic. Stupid, I know, but not any more stupid than Nemesis and the idea of B4 were anyway.

That's a bummer. I refuse to believe that Data would even transfer all of his knowledge and memory to B4 since he strives to be an individual. Nemesis fucked up a lot of things.

It sure did.
As I recall, Data downloading all that stuff into B4 was never intended to simply make B4 into Data, but to attempt to give him greater "mental" resources with which to find his own way. They did say during the movie that B4's lack of processing power and sophistication relative to Data would limit him. Additionally, I didn't take the ending to mean that B4 was going to "grow into" Data, since such a thing would be impossible (based on the movie itself having already told us that B4 could never be exactly like Data). I took it to mean that perhaps Data's hope that B4 could become his own unique individual - beyond just a practically brain-dead puppet - could be realized someday after all.

I'm not going to say Nemesis didn't have enough problems to fill two Galaxy-class ships, because it did, and B4 was one of them in concept. Adding another Soong-type out of nowhere was questionable, the role he played in Shinzon's plan was incredibly contrived (and, in-universe, so convoluted and reliant on chance happenings it was laughable), and no one even MENTIONING Lore during all of this was just :cardie:. But, the particulars of B4's brief appearance in Picard's ready room after Data's death... I actually kinda liked that. It's like, ok, this movie was full of problems, and this character was full of problems, but having him start to sing the song was a nice touch, and this idea that although Data is gone, some small part of him might live on in this other, unique individual... that seemed like good Trek to me.

All of that said, I hate the idea that Data completely "comes back" within B4 (I guess whatever unique persona WAS developing was destroyed?), to the point where he's captain of the Enterprise in the Countdown comics and STO backstory. That is incredibly stupid to me, and tramples all over what was ONE little thing (that one scene at the end) in Nemesis that I felt was actually done right. :brickwall:

On a semi-related note: I second the praise/recommendations to read Greater Then the Sum and the Destiny trilogy, as they are excellent (the TNG follow-up to Destiny, Losing the Peace, was quite good as well). Fortunately, in that continuing novel continuity line, Data DOESN'T return, and in fact, a really cool development involving B4 takes place in the (hard to find) novel Articles of the Federation. Just yet another reason why the "main" novelverse is infinitely superior to the dreck that is Star Trek: Online. :rommie:
 
You gotta love it when people bash something with no reason or intelligence behind it. STO/Countdown stupidity with bringing back Data is not Nemesis' fault. Nemesis had problems, resurrecting Data is not one of them.

I'd also like to add that since it's an STO book, it doesn't happen in anything worth reading in my opinion. Just about all of the developments I've read in the STO continuity are idiotic, this not the least of which. The main relaunch continuity I would say is actually worth reading (the one that includes Greater than the Sum, Destiny, and Losing the Peace).

And since there are some divergences between the STO timeline and the relaunch timeline already, it's easy to just pick whichever one you fancy.
 
What about Data? Does B4 become the new Data?

No, thankfully, at least not in any books I've read. It still baffles me that people think that. Nobody thinks Data turned into Lal after The Offspring.

That's because Lal was a one-off guest character intended to further Data's character arc. Data was a major character whose death was pointless, stupid, and because he was an android, uneccessary. He should have over-written B4 as the end of the movie clearly intended. That he didn't, in spite of the logic behind it, is the one thing the novel writers did that I disagree with.
 
What about Data? Does B4 become the new Data?

No, thankfully, at least not in any books I've read. It still baffles me that people think that. Nobody thinks Data turned into Lal after The Offspring.

That's because Lal was a one-off guest character intended to further Data's character arc. Data was a major character whose death was pointless, stupid, and because he was an android, uneccessary. He should have over-written B4 as the end of the movie clearly intended. That he didn't, in spite of the logic behind it, is the one thing the novel writers did that I disagree with.

Uh, except for how they said it wasn't possible and then that that never happened int he movie, then yeah, the makers of the film CLEARLY intended that. :rolleyes:
 
No, thankfully, at least not in any books I've read. It still baffles me that people think that. Nobody thinks Data turned into Lal after The Offspring.

That's because Lal was a one-off guest character intended to further Data's character arc. Data was a major character whose death was pointless, stupid, and because he was an android, uneccessary. He should have over-written B4 as the end of the movie clearly intended. That he didn't, in spite of the logic behind it, is the one thing the novel writers did that I disagree with.

Uh, except for how they said it wasn't possible and then that that never happened int he movie, then yeah, the makers of the film CLEARLY intended that. :rolleyes:

I think they make it up as they go along, whatever is needed for the story line I guess.

No biggie guys, I was just wondering. :)
 
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