enterprise : the romulan war

[timothy]

it would be awesome if the klingons got involved in the war . The romulans did steal one of there bird of prey's . and the klingons do like archer or atleast respect him .
But they would probably do it covertly . I mean it is called the earth/romulan war after all. would the klingon's loan him a cloaking device to even the odds? Or would earth develope there own . I mean there is that treaty stating the federation would not pursue cloak tech.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Why in the hell would that convoluted fairytale be preferable to simply believing that Archer's descendants liked Beagles too?

Because then it's the Jonathan Archer who knew both Scotty and Kirk! IMO that's at least as cool as Scotty and McCoy living on in TNG's timeframe and Old Spock living on in STXI's alternate one. Imagine the possibilities!

The example I posted wasn't serious - it was just the first silly thing that came to mind that would fanwankishly tie up both of Archer's "fates" - the point was that, like it or not, improbable is the norm for these people - one day Archer's making first contact with some weird alien species and the next he's saving prostitutes from Xindi reptillians in 2002 or picking through the ruins of Earth in the 31st century. Anything can happen and frequently does. I'd imagine it sometimes happens when the cameras are off, too.

 

[TerraUnam]

it would be awesome if the klingons got involved in the war . The romulans did steal one of there bird of prey's . and the klingons do like archer or atleast respect him .
But they would probably do it covertly . I mean it is called the earth/romulan war after all. would the klingon's loan him a cloaking device to even the odds? Or would earth develope there own . I mean there is that treaty stating the federation would not pursue cloak tech.

The writers have basically eliminated cloaking tech from the ENT timeline. The Klingons are just the Big Power Next Door.

Anything else is pure speculation right now. But BRTR set up the next novel to be the "Dark Hours of the War" novel, where everything seems bleakest for Earth.

 

[Christopher]

Why in the hell would that convoluted fairytale be preferable to simply believing that Archer's descendants liked Beagles too?

Because then it's the Jonathan Archer who knew both Scotty and Kirk!

How would he know Kirk in this scenario? Kirk only heard about the beagle incident secondhand.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Why in the hell would that convoluted fairytale be preferable to simply believing that Archer's descendants liked Beagles too?

Because then it's the Jonathan Archer who knew both Scotty and Kirk!

How would he know Kirk in this scenario? Kirk only heard about the beagle incident secondhand.

I got the impression Kirk actually knew the dog, not just knew of the dog. Maybe Archer stopped bringing it to class (or whatever) one day and Kirk didn't give it a second thought until Scotty brought it up six months later? There's plenty of wiggle room for Kirk and Archer meeting and/or knowing each other, if you choose to interpret it that way.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

well he also had surak's katra in his head could that have any effect on his ageing ?

Surak's katra was only in Archer's head for a short time. Probably not enough to affect him in the long term. And even if it did, the mental stress would be more likely to SHORTEN his life, not extend it.

That being said, in the Defiant logs shown briefly in "In a Mirror, Darkly", Archer is said to live to the year 2245 (and dies one day after the NCC-1701 is launched). FWIW.

 

[timothy]

okay back to the war .

why would they right out the cloaking device its the romulan and klingon's greatest advantage besides shilds and polarise plateing which I don't get . and klingons and romulans use transporters . so could'nt they beam threw polarize shielded ship's .

also , when did the colmbia come into action ? and , when did her captin go missing from the time stream ?

and kirk did say " Hey I know that dog , what happened to it ?"

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I realize the novels aren't official, but they have explained it away by saying that the Romulan ship in "Minefield" - the Praetor Pontilus - was such a new and untested prototype that its cloaking device eventually blew up the ship because of the power drain. (This is actually supported by what we saw onscreen - the ship kept cloaking and decloaking at random moments.) Thus cloaking tech was abandoned until they could get it working RIGHT, which wasn't until "Balance of Terror". And that's why Romulan ships didn't cloak during the war.

And, since a hundred years is a long time, Kirk and Spock didn't know about all that.

Again, I know this isn't canon. But we're obviously not going to get any other kind of explanation, so it might as well BE the real one.

 

[Sci]

why would they right out the cloaking device its the romulan and klingon's greatest advantage besides shilds and polarise plateing which I don't get .

Because TOS's "Balance of Terror" made it clear that, until that episode, cloaking devices were thought impossible. To keep cloaking devices in the 22nd Century would be to contradict "Balance of Terror."

also , when did the colmbia come into action ? and , when did her captin go missing from the time stream ?

Memory Alpha states that the United Earth starship Columbia NX-02 entered service in the United Earth Starfleet on 30 November 2154 ("Affliction," "Bound").

Columbia NX-02 disappeared during the Earth-Romulan War in April 2156, according to The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing.

 

[Christopher]

Because TOS's "Balance of Terror" made it clear that, until that episode, cloaking devices were thought impossible.

Not impossible, just impractical:

Invisibility is theoretically possible, Captain, with selective bending of light. But the power cost is enormous. They may have solved that problem.

To keep cloaking devices in the 22nd Century would be to contradict "Balance of Terror."

Not necessarily. We've seen cloaking devices penetrated many times, yet later productions have gone back to treating them as impenetrable. (For example, Spock figured out how to penetrate cloaks by tracking gaseous emissions in TUC, but by TNG cloaks are an effective form of stealth again.) So there are multiple apparent contradictions here. But they aren't contradictions if you assume that each is a different iteration of cloaking technology, that as each form of cloak is penetrated by a new sensor technology, a more advanced kind is developed to defeat that technology. A continuing arms race between stealth and detection.

Columbia NX-02 disappeared during the Earth-Romulan War in April 2156, according to The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing.

Originally according to the Destiny trilogy.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Not impossible, just impractical:

Invisibility is theoretically possible, Captain, with selective bending of light. But the power cost is enormous. They may have solved that problem.

And that fits pretty well with the example I gave. The Praetor Pontilus eventually self destructed BECAUSE of that enormous power cost Spock spoke of.

And like I said, it seemed clear just from the episode alone that something was up; with the ship just cloaking and decloaking and cloaking again with no rhyme or reason. The novel writers may have been grasping at straws, but I think they explained it well enough.

 

[ToddCam]

Spoiler: rant

it was made in the 60's. That's why it looks low tech. It's like trying to explain why the Gorn from "Arena" looks like a guy in a rubber suit, ffs!),

Funny thing is, the Titan Typhon Pact novel seems to try and reconcile the two versions of the Gorn. It doesn't mention rubber suits, though.

 

[timothy]

okay the nx class starship was sopposed to be the most advance starship of the time . at start of the war there was enterprise and columbia . now they know about the starship highjacking device what types of vessals will they develop . we know the andorians and telerites are easy to highjack so there are out of the war. But what about the xendi the romulans don't and they oh earth .

 

[Ronald Held]

I cannot see Surak's katra doing anything for Archer in the long term, seeing as he had it for a short while.
Cloaking and sensor improvements seem to go in stages in Star Trek. Cloaks inprove to defeat sensors and the sensor technology improves to detect it.

 

[TerraUnam]

okay the nx class starship was sopposed to be the most advance starship of the time . at start of the war there was enterprise and columbia . now they know about the starship highjacking device what types of vessals will they develop . we know the andorians and telerites are easy to highjack so there are out of the war. But what about the xendi the romulans don't and they oh earth .

It's all been dealt with in BTRW. The fate entire production run of the NX Class was detailed. I doubt you'll see the Xindi feature in the ENT books.

What you will see is a lot of backroom negotiations and political manoeuvring among the to-be Federation worlds to help Earth any way they can and get as many ships onto the front line as possible.

 

[timothy]

what is btrw ? and , how many nx ships were there in the war ?

 

[TerraUnam]

BTRW = Beneath the Raptor's Wing, the latest Romulan War novel.

That novel discussed the fate of the six NX ships.

 

[timothy]

so after the nx class , what came next in the starship line and was there a enterprise in that ? and is there going to be any lost era books between archer and pike ?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

In order:

- Don't know. We used to think the NX's successor was the Daedalus class, but it's actually the other way around.

- Also unknown. We will probably never see a Daedalus-class Enterprise, though, since it would most likely predate the NX-01.

- I hope so!

 

[F. King Daniel]

(*cough* USS Kelvin novel series *cough*)