Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release)

[Admiral_Young]

MIBIII is also in big trouble right now. With script problems and production delays.Apparently the script is so weak and confusing that Tommy Lee Jones was reported as saying he didn't know what the film was about!! I wouldn't be surprised if the first batch of actresses were rumor. They changed so drastically just in two days. The fact that Diana Agorn denied being contacted for the audition makes me think no one really knows anything going on right now with the production.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

^ I'm not 'writing him off.' Does no-one understand the significance of the word 'could' in my post?

"Nail in the coffin" is a pretty specific impression. Being replaced on a single film is meaningless, such "musical chairs" on these projects being pretty common. Snyder is still in demand and as long as that's so discussing him as if he's on a career slide is nonsense.

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ Okay 'nail in the coffin of his relationship with WB'? Like I say, I'm throwing it out for debate, since it has merited some comment on various other sites and this is, you know, a discussion thread?

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

Snyder and Cavill spoke to EW about the casting process. Here's an excerpt SHH posted:

Among the topics of discussion: Cavill’s audition, which included shooting a screen test wearing a replica of Christopher Reeve’s once impressive, now dated Superman suit. “If you can put on that suit and pull it off,” says Snyder, ‘that’s an awesome achievement.” Cavill was feeling less than super in the moment, at least about his ability to fill out the costume: He had just finished shooting a film with Bruce Willis called The Cold Light Of Day, and the part required to him to shed the impressive abs of steel and muscle tone he had put on for the movie he made right before that, the forthcoming mythic fantasy Immortals. As an assistant helped to him put on the Super-suit, Cavill recalls: “All I could think was: Oh, god. They’re going to look at me and go ‘He’s not Superman. Not a chance.’ The actor inside me was going: You’re not ready! You’re not ready!” Snyder saw something — or rather someone — different. “He walked out, and no one laughed,” says the director. “Other actors put that suit on, and it’s a joke, even if they’re great actors. Henry put it on, and he exuded this kind of crazy-calm confidence that just made me go ‘Wow.’ Okay: This was Superman.’”

 

[Admiral_Young]

I like him already.

 

[Christopher]

Among the topics of discussion: Cavill’s audition, which included shooting a screen test wearing a replica of Christopher Reeve’s once impressive, now dated Superman suit.

How is it "dated?" Superman's costume design hasn't changed materially in the comics for decades (discounting occasional digressions like Electric Superman). And Reeve's suit looks a damn sight better than the one from Superman Returns. That one tried to "update" the costume and only made it uglier.

 

[davejames]

That IS a pretty cool story. And it seems like a pretty good test too-- if you can wear Reeve's costume and not look silly, that probably says an awful lot.

 

[Admiral_Young]

The article isn't talking about the comic book costume Christopher. It's referring to the actual physical costume worn by Reeve from the movie...which IS dated considering that it's over thirty years old. It's not talking about the actual design.

 

[Shazam!]

The article isn't talking about the comic book costume Christopher. It's referring to the actual physical costume worn by Reeve from the movie...which IS dated considering that it's over thirty years old. It's not talking about the actual design.

It said replica. It was referring to the design.

 

[Admiral_Young]

No...it said replica of the Reeves costume "wearing a replica of Christopher Reeve’s once impressive now dated costume". It's clearly referring to the actual physical costume.

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ Well, if it's a replica, how can it be the actual physical costume worn by Reeve?

 

[davejames]

How is it "dated?" Superman's costume design hasn't changed materially in the comics for decades (discounting occasional digressions like Electric Superman). And Reeve's suit looks a damn sight better than the one from Superman Returns. That one tried to "update" the costume and only made it uglier.

I love the costume too, but come on. From a totally objective, non-fan standpoint, it DOES look a bit dated now. Especially when you compare it to something as sophisticated and complex as Raimi's Spidey costume.

I mean, the shorts are too big, the S too wobbly, the blue too... teal, and the material is something that belongs more on a ballet dancer than a superhero.

I'm sure that's all EW was really referring to. Not the design itself.

 

[Christopher]

The point is, when it says "dated," what specifically is dated about it? Just in case there's any confusion, "dated" doesn't just mean old, it means outmoded, too far behind the state of the art, overly tied to a particular time that is now past. For instance, if Iron Man had shown Tony Stark using vacuum tubes in his computers, that would've been dated.


EDIT: davejames posted while I was writing.

I love the costume too, but come on. From a totally objective, non-fan standpoint, it DOES look a bit dated now. Especially when you compare it to something as sophisticated and complex as Raimi's Spidey costume.

I don't like Raimi's Spidey costume. It's too complicated and high-tech. It's absurd that a lower-middle-class high-school student could create something like that. And the one in the new movie looks even worse.

The Routh costume went for "sophisticated and complex," and it just looked overthought and unattractive.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Okay. My point was that the article wasn't "dissing" the design of the costume as Christopher seemed to think that they were...it was referring to the costume it's self and captaindemotion you know what I was meaning. It's a replica of the costume, not the exact costume.

I think it's pretty clear we're going to get an update of the costume for the movie but with Snyder's recent statements from a couple weeks ago stated his favorite artists were Curt Swan and Jim Lee.

Here's the cover of EW with Henry wearing a Superman t-shirt.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Henr...S-And-A-Gaze-Of-Steel-In-New-Photo-23217.html

 

[Christopher]

Okay. My point was that the article wasn't "dissing" the design of the costume as Christopher seemed to think that they were...it was referring to the costume it's self and captaindemotion you know what I was meaning. It's a replica of the costume, not the exact costume.

But your point contradicts itself. If it's a modern replica, then the only thing that could be dated about it is its design. So whether it's a replica or not has nothing to do with the question: what specifically about it do they consider to be dated?

 

[Admiral_Young]

If no one understands the meaning of the article than that's pretty funny in it's self. It's amusing that was the thing that was plucked out of it. I think I made my point pretty clear and you guys are for some reason twisting my words...

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

It's not necessarily a modern replica of the Christopher Reeve costume. It could be a contemporaneous replica of the Reeve costume, but one that he didn't actually wear. They probably have a lot of copies of that costume still in storage at WB. As for why the EW writer called it dated, well, we can't get clarity on that since the writer isn't here to answer our questions, so we can only offer opinions as to whether we agree or disagree with the description.

 

[Christopher]

If no one understands the meaning of the article than that's pretty funny in it's self. It's amusing that was the thing that was plucked out of it. I think I made my point pretty clear and you guys are for some reason twisting my words...

Okay, I went back to the original quote and your interpretation of it, and I think the crux of what you're saying is that when the original quote says "wearing a replica of Christopher Reeve’s once impressive, now dated Superman suit," it's only using the word "dated" to refer to the original suit, not to the replica. Is that about right?

But the problem there is, how are you defining the meaning of the word "dated?" If it's a replica of the Reeve costume specifically, then it follows that it has the same design and construction as that costume. The only difference between the original and the replica would be that one is older than the other. But as I've explained, "dated" does not simply mean old or physically worn out. It means outmoded in design or concept. If the original costume is now considered dated, then the replica would be equally dated, regardless of how much newer it was.

 

[Admiral_Young]

That question as pointed out can't be answered since we'd only be using speculation and assumption to answer it. In that regards I'm amusing that the writer did indeed mean "old" in this case. I personally don't think it really mattes either way. They were just using it as a test costume for an audition after all.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

It's too complicated and high-tech. It's absurd that a lower-middle-class high-school student could create something like that.

I'd rather suspend disbelief on that point and have a slick, professional costume rather than watch a movie with a Spidey costume that looks like something a lower-middle income high school student could realistically come up with (which, let's face it, wouldn't be much).