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What is your honest opinion of Enterprise?

I thought this was a show that was almost as completely botched as Voyager. The characters and actors were a HUGE step up from Voyagers severe case of the blands and the premise was good enough - a return to the frontier feeling of TOS with a little more action-adventure to the show while trying to get by without all the techno-comforts of the 24th century that most people had grown so tired of.

The problem was that, like Voyager, they dropped the premise within a handful of episodes. By the end of the pilot they had phasers with stun settings (while I couldn't help but think how cool it would be to have to see the main characters have to choose whether or not to use deadly force with their plasma pistols), they had used the transporter to rescue someone, and had made first contact with the Klingons (something that probably deserved a lot more time and attention than it was given).

They also had in the first season: holodeck episodes, a Ferengi episode, and terribly thought out time travel episodes. These were all things that I think most people were hoping to get away from with a prequel series where the idea was that characters might solve a few more problems with cunning instead of the technobabble solutions Voyager was so fond of.

By the 3rd season, they tried to save the show by starting a war (more or less). With a race no one had ever heard of or cared about. Now, war is good for drama and makes for some exciting action (a lesson learned on DS9), but who the hell cares about the Xindi? From the day this show aired, everyone wanted to see the Romulan War. It was just a sign that the producers and writers clearly had no idea what their audience wanted any more.

By season 4 there was a heavy turnover in the writers and in my opinion, we FINALLY got to see what we all wanted to see. The stories were written in small arcs (which Trek does much better than large arcs), there was a lot of stuff with Andorians and Tellarites and Vulcans... just a bunch of cool prequelly stuff. Even a quick jaunt over to the mirror universe to see how cool it was before DS9 ruined it. Some people criticize this season for being fanwankish and to some extent it was - but it was also the reason this show existed - to show the fanwankish, prequel crap that led up to the founding of the Federation.

My conclusion: It was a failure and it had a ton of issues, but it was still far more interesting than Voyager any day of the week.
 
I wish the Romulans were behind the Xindi attacking Earth and that this could have been the start of the Romulan War. It could have even been Romulans from the future who wanted to change the outcome of the War. Riker and Troi could have come in at the series finale but not as a holodeck story but really interacting with the Enterprise crew and coming back in time on the Titan to stop the future Romulan.

Just my 2 cents.
 
OK, once again:

The idiots at Paramount wouldn't let the showrunners do the Romulan War because they had somd kind of nebulous idea that it might, maybe, perhaps possibly someday when we're all dead eventually be done as a movie. Maybe.
 
I liked the show from the time it premiered. Probably my second favorite Star Trek series after Deep Space Nine. Season One was excellent, as were seasons 2 & 3. Season 4 was probably the weakest, in my opinion, but was still a killer season. Reed was a bit annoying at times, but overall I thought it an excellent series. I only wish the Shran was in there more, as he was a great character. Hell, Jeffrey Combs was brilliant in all the different charcaters he played in the Star Trek series.

Are you a fan of Voyager by chance?
 
OK, once again:

The idiots at Paramount wouldn't let the showrunners do the Romulan War because they had somd kind of nebulous idea that it might, maybe, perhaps possibly someday when we're all dead eventually be done as a movie. Maybe.

Yeah, that's going to bug me eternally re: season four. All the spooky Romulan plotting and no payoff. I guess it helps to be reminded seasons five through seven wouldn't have been allowed to pay anything off, anyway.
 
Season's 5 to 7 were supposedly going to contain a visit to Denobula (YES!) and the possibility that T'Pol's father was a Romulan sleeper agent. I can't remember the other tantalizing possibilities, I only wish relaunch had embraced the T'Pol idea.

Season 4 is excellent, lots of double and triple episodes. So much fabness.. the ANSWER to the Klingon forehead problem. Eungenics war rejects. Actual sehlat seen on screen. Vulcan housing! Mirror Universe X 2 with jaw dropping opening credits. Andorians and MORE Andorians. SPACE NAZIS!!!

What's not to love? I think it's one of the best seasons in all of Trek.
 
I love it, too. I really do.

Totally forgot about the visit to Denobulia. That would have made a fantastic three-parter for serious Phlox development. Ugh, the possibilities. As for the Romulan sleeper agent thing... yeah, known about that for a long time and the pain of knowing it will never be is pretty frustrating. So many great directions were made for that show; just gotta be happy with what we have.
 
I love it, too. I really do.

Totally forgot about the visit to Denobulia. That would have made a fantastic three-parter for serious Phlox development. Ugh, the possibilities. As for the Romulan sleeper agent thing... yeah, known about that for a long time and the pain of knowing it will never be is pretty frustrating. So many great directions were made for that show; just gotta be happy with what we have.

No!! We must never be happy! We must DEMAND a reboot!
 
I liked the show from the time it premiered. Probably my second favorite Star Trek series after Deep Space Nine. Season One was excellent, as were seasons 2 & 3. Season 4 was probably the weakest, in my opinion, but was still a killer season. Reed was a bit annoying at times, but overall I thought it an excellent series. I only wish the Shran was in there more, as he was a great character. Hell, Jeffrey Combs was brilliant in all the different charcaters he played in the Star Trek series.

Are you a fan of Voyager by chance?

Nope, not in the least. Voyager is the only Star Trek series I can't stand. All the other four Star Trek series were excellent, but Voyager was awful. What I dug about Enterprise was that it wasn't by the book so to speak, as the book wasn't written yet on how to act, first contact, etc. They were learning as they were going. Wasn't all spit and polish like Next Generation.
 
After seeing Enterprise I was convinced Scott Bakula was a likeable but limited actor. NBC series Chuck changed my mind. Bakula's performance on that show is wonderful!

That's exactly how I felt about him. Imagine my utter surprise when I finally got to watch Quantum Leap! I was sincerely impressed by his performances and it sent my regard for him as an actor sky high. And I have to say I'll never look at Enterprise the same way again. :D

Agreed... except I was a Quantum Leap fan before and I was turned off by ENT initially because of how the writers did Archer. I was thrilled that SB was going to be the captain... and Trip Tucker ended up being my favorite character (not what I expected). And because I've seen SB in other things, I know that what I didn't like about Archer had nothing to do with him as an actor. He's fantastic -- the writing was inconsistent. (Though, on rewatch, I've come to love Archer -- and not just because SB is hot without a shirt on... though it helps. :devil:)

And, as someone else mentioned, I wished that he would have gotten as much character development as Trip and T'Pol. I love season 3 the best for Archer... I think that's where SB got to show off his acting chops the most. (Similitude, et al)

What I dug about Enterprise was that it wasn't by the book so to speak, as the book wasn't written yet on how to act, first contact, etc. They were learning as they were going. Wasn't all spit and polish like Next Generation.

This, exactly -- but only when I rewatched the series (after picking it back up again after the third season). I was so used to my then favorite, TNG, and all the spit and polish that I was turned off by the roughness of ENT (and the blandness of the first season... and how Vulcans were--that was a huge, huge part of my being turned off from the show).

I rewatched and fell in love with the frontier-ness of the show -- the lack of a Prime Directive, the "we're making this up as we go" feel. And even the Vulcans were easier to palatte, knowing that it would be fixed in the fourth season.

My appreciation spiked when I finally started watching DS9 for the first time... I thought, "Man, those DS9 folks are so spoiled! Technology does everything for them!!" :lol:

Season 3 of ENT is my absolute favorite. Maybe I like things a little darker and grittier. *shrug* It's closely followed by season 4 since I'm a TOS fan. Season one is better on the rewatch, and most of season 2 is meh with a couple of good episodes thrown in.
 
I love it, too. I really do.

Totally forgot about the visit to Denobulia. That would have made a fantastic three-parter for serious Phlox development. Ugh, the possibilities. As for the Romulan sleeper agent thing... yeah, known about that for a long time and the pain of knowing it will never be is pretty frustrating. So many great directions were made for that show; just gotta be happy with what we have.

No!! We must never be happy! We must DEMAND a reboot!

:lol: Okay!
 
Season 3 was my favorite season of Enterrpise. I like season 4 Terra Prime is the finale for alot of fans I ignore Tatv as the finale of the series. I would've like to have seen the Romulan war storyline in seasons 5 through seven. I'm glad the relaunch didn't go with the storyline of T'Pol's father being a Romulan agent.I think she's an interesting Vulcan in her own right without having to be turned into a half Romulan like Saavik.She's just as unique a Vulcan individual as Spock is.
 
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OK, once again:

The idiots at Paramount wouldn't let the showrunners do the Romulan War because they had somd kind of nebulous idea that it might, maybe, perhaps possibly someday when we're all dead eventually be done as a movie. Maybe.
Well, that's not necessarily a bad thing. The build-up to the war could be just as interesting as showing the war itself -- perhaps even more so, because they can do more than just war stories. Plus, it may have felt like it was rehashing DS9.
 
I don't know, there's definitely enough unique flavor abound in ENT's portion of the timeline that I feel like it wouldn't have risked treading DS9 ground too closely.

There was a whole thing set up for Star Trek (2009) to be about the Romulan War, you know. It ended up going nowhere, no doubt in part because Kurtzman and Orci's treatment probably blew it out of the water.

I still remember reading the thing about why the Enterprise NX-01 wouldn't be present for the movie and facepalming. "Vacationing on Risa," was it?
 
Yep. The Earth/Romulan "war" would have been reduced to a week-long battle in earth orbit between Romulan drone ships and United Earth Space Navy fighter pilots (where were they when the Xindi attacked, huh?). But it can't have been all bad - Shran had a cameo!

Star Trek: The Beginning was cancelled due to a reigeme change at Paramont. There's kind of a nod to it in STXI - George Kirk's father was named Tiberius, and the star of ST: TB was Tiberius Chase, supposedly an ancestor of James T. Kirk. Or maybe it was a fluke.
 
Great potential that it never lived up to, though it was starting to get there in Season Four.
 
Yep. The Earth/Romulan "war" would have been reduced to a week-long battle in earth orbit between Romulan drone ships and United Earth Space Navy fighter pilots (where were they when the Xindi attacked, huh?). But it can't have been all bad - Shran had a cameo!

Star Trek: The Beginning was cancelled due to a reigeme change at Paramont. There's kind of a nod to it in STXI - George Kirk's father was named Tiberius, and the star of ST: TB was Tiberius Chase, supposedly an ancestor of James T. Kirk. Or maybe it was a fluke.

I didn't know about the Shran cameo. Phooey, now I want to see the movie happen. ;)
 
Yep. The Earth/Romulan "war" would have been reduced to a week-long battle in earth orbit between Romulan drone ships and United Earth Space Navy fighter pilots (where were they when the Xindi attacked, huh?). But it can't have been all bad - Shran had a cameo!

Star Trek: The Beginning was cancelled due to a reigeme change at Paramont. There's kind of a nod to it in STXI - George Kirk's father was named Tiberius, and the star of ST: TB was Tiberius Chase, supposedly an ancestor of James T. Kirk. Or maybe it was a fluke.

I didn't know about the Shran cameo. Phooey, now I want to see the movie happen. ;)
I don't. Jeffrey Combs does rule, but he doesn't automatically make everything he's in rule. I don't care if Weyoun was in it, I still hated the episode "In The Cards".

Star Trek: The Beginning would've been just awful.
 
I just recently bought the first season of Enterprise on DVD and I've enjoyed it a great deal. It has a neat frontier feeling to it as somebody pages back noted. I try to take each Star Trek series on it's own terms. I'm not super concerned with cannon continuity between shows. I'd like it all to flow together perfectly-but how realistic of an expectation is that? Anyways, like it as I do I still have to rate it 4th with TOS being first, DS9 second, TNG third. I've never watched more than a handful of Voyager episodes.
 
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