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Favourite 'season one' aspects that get dropped early on

I was one of the few people that liked the first season of DS9. The show had more of a "frontier" feeling and they really seemed to actually be in "deep space" with no backup or reinforcements available quickly. I also thought it was a little edgier in the sense that their "friends" (the Bajorans) didn't like them and their "neighbors" (the Cardassians) really, REALLY didn't like them. Again, it helped to establish a isolated, "frontier" feeling. But losing this element was the natural progression of the show.

As for SeaQuest, just about anything remotely original or clever was done away with when the show was massively retooled in (I think) the second season. And it got worse with each passing season.

The same could be said about Sliders.
 
I think the '24 hours to save the world' (or US) thing just requires the same sort of willing suspension of disbelief the viewer needs to afford the Die Hard or James Bond series.

I have the same problem with doing sequels to Die Hard -- or Home Alone, or any movie whose premise is built around a unique and coincidental event. It strains credibility to have the same circumstances repeat themselves for the same people.

But I don't have that problem with something like James Bond or Superman or Star Trek, because those are stories about people whose job it is to tackle crisis situations on an ongoing basis. Sure, the frequency of crises is far greater than in the real world, but at least it isn't a coincidence that these crises always happen to befall the same guy without him seeking them out.

Doing something like 24 as an ongoing series would've made more sense as a sort of anthology approach: each season following a new, unrelated cast of characters dealing with a different kind of crisis told in real time. For instance, maybe after doing one season of Jack Bauer racing the clock to prevent a terrorist attack or whatever, they could've done a season about a police negotiator dealing with a 24-hour hostage crisis, and then maybe some kind of 24-hour real-time medical crisis like a hospital staff dealing with a disaster. If the premise of the show resides in its format -- a single day-long narrative told in real time over 24 hourlong episodes -- then it seems a "seasonal anthology" approach with changing characters and scenarios would be a natural fit. But American TV is too conservative, too resistant to the idea of limited series.


And the 24 hours usually changed from time-frame to time-frame, S1 was the only series set over the course of a single day.

Well, yes, of course the start and end points didn't correspond to a single calendar day, but it was still a single continuous 24-hour period, wasn't it? Therefore, a day defined as a unit of duration equal to 86,400 seconds, rather than as a page on the calendar.



I never thought of it like that before, but that makes a lot of sense all right. Of course, they could have made great subsequent seasons - S2 could should have been an X2/ Superman 2/ The Dark Knight, compared with season one's pilot/ origin story - but the writing just wasn't there.

See, that's where I disagree. Heroes season 1 was designed to tell a complete story, and they finished it. These characters weren't designed to have open-ended arcs like the X-Men, Superman, or Batman have. They had specific stories that were told and brought to a conclusion. That's the difference between a story that's built around a specific, unique set of events and one that's built around a person or group of people whose job is to tackle crises on an ongoing basis. The former doesn't allow for sequels as plausibly as the latter.

Sure, some Heroes characters could've worked on a continuing basis. Noah could've kept trying to control and/or help people with powers. Hiro and Ando could've gone on playing superhero. But there was no point in bringing Sylar back from the dead; Peter and Nathan should've died, and having them survive undermined the impact of the S1 climax; and in general there was no reason for all these characters to keep converging and continuing to share adventures, since they came together due to a specific event.

So the way to make further seasons of Heroes work would've been to do what they originally intended: Only bring back some of the characters, those who could plausibly continue to have adventures, and have a mostly new cast dealing with a different kind of crisis (i.e. not another vision of the impending end of the world). And yes, keeping good writers around (i.e. Bryan Fuller and not Jeph Loeb & Jesse Alexander) would've helped immensely as well.


As for SeaQuest, just about anything remotely original or clever was done away with when the show was massively retooled in (I think) the second season. And it got worse with each passing season.

The same could be said about Sliders.

I agree that both shows got worse after their first season, but I wouldn't say they got worse with each passing season. I wasn't a fan of SeaQuest's third season, but it wasn't half as stupid as the second. As for Sliders, it reached its absolute nadir in the back half of the third season, which is just about the worst thing I've ever seen in series television; its two final seasons on SciFi were an enormous improvement over S3, though not on a par with S1.
 
But, all in all, if the relatively restrained Bauer of early S1 (where the most he did was, er, shoot his boss in the leg with a tranquilizer dart - I did say 'relatively restrained') was too much for you, then you were wise to avoid later seasons, given that in S2's opener, he murdered a paedophile in cold blood and then demanded a hacksaw to chop his head off, all so he could infiltrate a terrorist gang!
Hey, it was a great "Jack's back" moment after he had squandered minutes - MINUTES! - as a scruffy slacker. :)

Yeah, as a way of answering the doubts that they wouldn't top the shock ending of Season 1, it worked very well indeed!
 
Doing something like 24 as an ongoing series would've made more sense as a sort of anthology approach: each season following a new, unrelated cast of characters dealing with a different kind of crisis told in real time.
I would've liked to have seen a 24-style season of Enterprise... :p
 
I stopped watching 24 after Season 2, so can't really comment on later seasons, but as to the premise... it's just that feeling that if really the entire threat can be set up, uncovered, and then dealt with all in a period of 24 hours, how serious was it really?

I always imagine the guy who happened to have that day as a day off coming into CTU the following day.
"Anything happen on my day off?"
"Oh man, you wouldn't belive what's been happening here, sheesh, it's been incredible"
"Shit, really? What can I do to help?"
"Oh no, don't worry, it's all over and done with now though, don't sweat"
"... oh ok"
 
As for SeaQuest, just about anything remotely original or clever was done away with when the show was massively retooled in (I think) the second season. And it got worse with each passing season.
Personally, I think the problem with seaQuest was that they listened to Steven Spielberg's idea of making the show 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea in the Future, instead of going with the post-WWIII idea that one of the producers was pushing. There really wasn't anything compelling about season 1 aside from the character dynamics since the stories being told were kinda boring and there wasn't an overarching plot to compensate for that. Season 2 sucked because the execs thought science fiction = aliens and all sorts of ridiculous crap, but Season 3 started having an overarching plot that could lend itself to getting a better blend of action, character stuff, and realistic science fiction.
 
Yeah Seaquest just wasn't planned out very well, however I'm glad they made it in the future and not the 1940s or 50s. Season 1 should have had a very basic arc, that this is a science ship, but it's also keeping a very weak peace. The ship is then destroyed, and that helps with the peace for awhile, but a war looms and throughout the second season there are more terror attacks before a war break out in season 3.
 
SeaQuest, Sliders and Earth: Final Conflict... now there's a trio of shows I watched first-run as a kid that even then I saw quality dripping away like it had been placed in a coffee filter.

Earth: Final Conflict has got to have some sort of record for biggest 'revolving door' cast in a science fiction series of 'just' five seasons. Every time I think about how much this pissed me off in Stargate Atlantis I remember good ol' EFC and stuff ain't so bad anymore...
 
^^I suppose you got a point. At least Atlantis kept the same lead actor for all five seasons. In five seasons, EFC went through three leads.

Hell, Atlantis in the end still had three of its original cast, plus a character who'd been in the main cast since the second season. When EFC ended, it only had one of its original cast, and the longest anyone else in the main cast at that point had been there was since the third season.

Getting back to the point of this thread, I remember EFC's first season seemed to depict Sandoval as being so formal and serious and dedicated, often for humourus effect. Examples, present while Da'an was looking over an artistic sculpture, and commenting on it, Sandoval decides to offer the input "I find the stillness of it moves me." Mind you the series actually did do some great stuff with Sandoval, but I always missed his unintentionally comedy.
 
During a recent rewatch of TNG the wife and I were struck by how much better it was than we had remembered (or better than the internet had convinced us it was), and I think part of that was a very definite TOS feel to the first season's episodes. Some of it carried over to the second season, but you could see it changing. By the time of the third season, TNG became it's own show and it was good, but there was still something appealing about that early TOS feel.

Agree with the "lighter moments" comments on nuBSG. While I loved the show all the way to the end, it was often later missing that gallows humor that helped keep the show enjoyable to watch, even as it tackled dark subjects.
 
The legendary overall general awesomeness that would have been:

CHUCK CUNNINGHAM!!!

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Chuck Cunningham was the first thing that came to my mind.
I should hire an actor to hang around the house for a day, tell my kids it's their older brother Kenny, and then have him be gone forever and never mention him again.
 
Just started to watch The Drew Carey Show again. I completely forgot that early in season 1 they had Lewis seemingly in what looked like a stable long term relationship, that could have been interesting to continue. Lewis and Oswald did undertake some semi-major changes as the first season went on. Originally they just seemed to be be your ordinary, normal guys but they eventually changed them both into idiots, made Lewis single and Oswald was originally the "sexy" one who was a DJ but he became just as ignored by women as Lewis and Drew and became a courier.
 
There are a bunch of shows that had major makeovers after the second season: Buck Rogers, BSG (for all intensive purposes G80 was the second season), Space 1999, Witchblade, Knight Rider (lost half its cast mid-season 1(!)). Wonder Woman went from WWII to modern day. I'm sure there's others.


SeaQuest, Sliders and Earth: Final Conflict... now there's a trio of shows I watched first-run as a kid that even then I saw quality dripping away like it had been placed in a coffee filter.

Earth: Final Conflict has got to have some sort of record for biggest 'revolving door' cast in a science fiction series of 'just' five seasons. Every time I think about how much this pissed me off in Stargate Atlantis I remember good ol' EFC and stuff ain't so bad anymore...

Sliders has to be up there for cast changes.
 
^^At least Sliders made to its third season before it began changing the cast. And even then, its original lead last four seasons.
 
Yeah, all three of those shows. Sliders was pretty insane, too, though. I still can't recall what they did with Jerry O'Connell's departure story-wise without cracking up.
 
Definitely SeaQuest. I remember really liking the first season. Then, they re-tooled for season 2 and IIRC moved production from L.A. to Florida. In the process, they lost several cast members who did not want to re-locate to film the series, re-built the sets which looked far worse than before, changed uniforms for no apparent reason, and started to introduce unnecessary sci-fi elements like aliens and genetically-modified humans. All of my interest in the series seem to go out the window. I haven't gone back to try and watch it, so I don't know if any of it still holds up today, but those were definitely my impressions of things back then.
 
I don't know how many episodes it lasted, but Al had a more "realistic" looking hand-held computer device in "Quantum Leap". Later on he had that multi-colored, blocky cheesey looking thing.
 
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