Star Wars: The Old Republic...

[Kibbin]

Okay, now I'm just psyched about them reworking KOTOR2.

Wait, what?!?!?!?

KoTOR2 Restoration Project. Fan mod with a little early assistance from OE when they started.

Okay so it's not an offical thing or anything, but somebody cleaning up KOTR2 and making it no longer a hurried mess is fine by me.

 

[firehawk12]

Yeah, if you search around someone actually completed and released a version of it. The "official" Team Gizka version is still MIA, but this one has pretty much everything they were working on.

Ah, boop:
http://www.deadlystream.com/forum/f123/

Now all LA needs to do is acknowledge that the game exists and release it on Steam or whereever. Even better if they could include all the high res voice and movie films along with this patch, but I'd just be happy with the bare game at this point.

 

[CorporalClegg]

^
I wasn't impressed with the Deadly Stream one. I recently tried playing through it and, not only did it kill my game, it killed my system. I had to to a full reinstall. When I ask around, people told me it was best to use it with the vanilla game. I haven't played the vanilla game in years! And sort of defeats the purpose.

Team Gizka has always been the more promising patch, but it's pretty much dead these days. Plus, the team leader sort of turned into a jackass and seems to not want to finish it out of spite.

I have to say though, I'm just not thrilled with this game. They ditched the KOTOR Republic and Sith designs in favor of ones closer to movie era. WTF!?

Plus, I've never played an MMORPG before and am starting feel like I'm too late to the party. I'd feel like a total n00b.

 

[Noname Given]

Wow - Now I can play Chun Li as a Jedi. I was really stoked for this game when I heard Bioware was doing it; but the more I read, see, and find out about the attitude of the Dev team towards stuff like player controlled ships and space based combat (ie not at launch and if two Devs have their was - never - as they feel SWG's Jump To Lightspeed was what killed that game. Personally, I think what killed SWG was the BAD decisions made from Beta on. I closed beta that game, and was so dissapointed in SOE's development of trhe game and refusal to listen to testeers, I never bothered with it post launch).

I will probably give SWToR a go, but the more I read and see, the less enthusied I am.

 

[sojourner]

Yea, I didn't even play SWG and I know Jump to Lightspeed wasn't what killed it. In fact, most of the players I know say it was one of the best things Sony did with the game. Now, that new experience expansion, or whatever it was called, that killed the game dead.

 

[Chaos Descending]

Yeah, according to my brother in law, who played SWG, he says that the expansion/patch or whatever that let anyone play a Jedi whenever, THAT's what killed SWG.

I don't know, I never played it either.

 

[firehawk12]

^
I wasn't impressed with the Deadly Stream one. I recently tried playing through it and, not only did it kill my game, it killed my system. I had to to a full reinstall. When I ask around, people told me it was best to use it with the vanilla game. I haven't played the vanilla game in years! And sort of defeats the purpose.

The only mod I ever used with the game was the 'skip Peregus' thing, because tutorials are boring, so I guess I never had catastrophic problems.

But yeah, the Gizka mod is dead... short of downloading the beta that was leaked to a torrent tracker a while ago.

 

[Rii]

Awesome cinematic trailer; not quite as awesome as last year's though. And those grenades are useless.

Still mildly interested in the game, still unimpressed by its visual presentation.

 

[Jono]

^ Given that both trooper and Sith got back up it is hard to believe it was an anti-personnel grenade. Maybe it was a stun grenade or ion grenade. Neither are designed to kill flesh and blood people.

Some good/bad news.

http://au.gamespot.com/news/6286955.html

Looks like we might be looking at up to another six months wait. Bad because want now, but also good as I'd rather wait than have a game rushed out and be unfinished/lack polish.

 

[Artemis]

The mmo is an abomination. Kotor is and always will be a singleplayer experience, imho.

I want to know what happened to Revan, the Exile, everyone. The trilogy should be completed, not left hanging in the air like this.

 

[Bishop76]

As I understand it, we do get to find out what happened to Revan, the Exile, etc in TOR. I'm not in love with the idea of it being an MMO either, but it's Bioware and they have yet to really let me down. Have faith!

 

[Artemis]

I was so absorbed in ignoring everything that has to do with TOR that I somehow didn't even know it'll be a Bioware game. O.O

Oooookay, Bioware. I adore Bioware.

Hmmm, this does not go well with my abomination theory.

Okay, I'll give it a chance.

 

[CorporalClegg]

As I understand it, we do get to find out what happened to Revan, the Exile, etc in TOR. I'm not in love with the idea of it being an MMO either, but it's Bioware and they have yet to really let me down. Have faith!

Actually, there's scuttlebutt that says it'll pretty much just ignore KOTOR2. I guess BW feels no obligation to it.

Also, I don't know if it's wise to just follow Bioware blindly. They have made some real clunkers over the years. And they've never done a MMO before. Because of that, they seem to be trying extra hard at pushing the envelope. They've done that before with disastrous results because they just glossed over the minutia.


But I'm with Artemis and her original statement about it being an abomination. I don't know that doing an Old Republic MMO is in itself terrible, but they really should have completed the KOTOR trilogy. Plus, it would have been a nice gear-up/filler for the MMO to generate interest.

But I had a small fling with MMOs this fall. It didn't last long. I know they say they're focusing heavily on single player content. If true, I might give it a go. But if I have to commit 2-3 hours a day (minimum) and deal with guild politics/drama and all that, then I'm out.

 

[Artemis]

I just don't understand.

Why on Earth would they give up on kotor3 SP? Especially if there is so much hype and interest surrounding it.

It's like...doing the first two LotR films, and not doing the third. Pointless.

 

[Bishop76]

Well, they actually didn't do KotOR 2, so I can see them skipping any exile stuff maybe. But, people from Bioware have been quoted as saying this game will be like KOTOR 3, 4, 5, 6, etc...

I don't follow them blindly - I'm not the biggest fan of Jade Empire or Dragon Age, but their work on KOTOR and Mass Effect games is fantastic. And even though I don't like JE or DA, I don't think they're abominations. I'm not saying I'll blindly love this game, but I have faith that they have the potential to make a great game.

My understanding is that this game is going to be very single player oriented with socialization and grouping available if you want it. I guess there's nothing to it but to wait and see.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I just don't understand.

Why on Earth would they give up on kotor3 SP? Especially if there is so much hype and interest surrounding it.

It's like...doing the first two LotR films, and not doing the third. Pointless.

Well I think it ultimately came down to economics. The second one wasn't as successful as many had thought it would be. And, until Dragon Age came a long, there was a prevailing thought in the biz that single-player PC RPGS were passe.

But there was also the issue of Lucas Arts saving face. They weren't about to concede that they were the ones who screwed the pooch with Sith Lords. They only pissed-off Obsidian in the whole ordeal (by pointing fingers at them) and were probably afraid to try and go back to Bioware without a fresh take. See: MMO.

Though, I can't help but hope that, if TOR is successful, they'll release the whole trilogy as an expansion/add-on thing. It could be done for pretty cheap and would be a good way of luring new business.

My understanding is that this game is going to be very single player oriented with socialization and grouping available if you want it. I guess there's nothing to it but to wait and see.

I'm skeptical. If you promote something as an MMO then it has to be run as an MMO. If they really want to be the WoW killer that they claim, then they'll have to go full-tilt with MMO elements. This means, for example, having complex instances & raids that must be completed in groups.

I think the whole "single player oriented" claim is simply a way to appease and hook the KOTOR people who Bioware knows will have to be the base at launch.

 

[Bishop76]

I think the whole "single player oriented" claim is simply a way to appease and hook the KOTOR people who Bioware knows will have to be the base at launch.

That's entirely possible, I suppose - but I think most of those people are probably going to buy it anyway.

I did have a friend get in on one of the early betas. He got a chance to play the two Sith classes for a couple days. He said it's actually quite a fun game (what he got to play of it anyway).

 

[Artemis]

I think the whole "single player oriented" claim is simply a way to appease and hook the KOTOR people who Bioware knows will have to be the base at launch.

Yeah, it's a way of easing the pain of the transition. And let's be realistic, everyone who enjoyed kotor1 and 2 WILL give the mmo a shot. The curiosity is too strong.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I know I will. At least buy a 1 month subscription. Though I have doubts about it running on my computer.

At least the delay will give me time to scrape some cash together to get something half-decent.

 

[Bishop76]

Usually with MMOs the first month is free and I'm guessing they'll follow that trend.