Your original point was that continuity was somehow important to fans to enjoy Star Trek... I'm just showing that there is plenty of Trek out there that does not respect continuity that does quite well.
Nero/Alternate Universe...When did it actually become 'alternate'?
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Your original point was that continuity was somehow important to fans to enjoy Star Trek... I'm just showing that there is plenty of Trek out there that does not respect continuity that does quite well.
Hence: If they hadn't gotten Nimoy involved, they would have been in trouble.
With most studio-driven projects made for film, the following stages generally take place:
- The Studio comissions writers for a treatment or two for ideas. <-- This is where they may have to decide whether or not to bring in Nimoy, and maybe one without, assuming they submitted more that one idea.
- The writers/producers then submit their basic outlines to the studio, who then pick the one they like best.
- A full script is created based on that treatment, that is then submitted to the studio with a general idea as to how much it would cost, and how it could be made.
- Based on this, the studio (Paramount) then sets up the budget and funds, and "Greenlights" the movie to be made, and everything gets done to a contracted release date (occasionally this changes, but this is costly to do with a significant payroll and resources allocated) <-- NOTE: Nimoy in the story is pretty much set in stone as far as the Studio is concerned. Taking him out would require a major restructuring of the story's details.
- Once this is greenlit, the Production Team then goes into pre-production, where sets are designed, general visual concepts are hashed out, casting sessions etc. would then take place, all at the same time. <-- This is where they would have had to talk to Nimoy. If he said no at this stage, it would have delayed production on the movie, and Paramount would have had a conflict with JJ Abrams. The movie might not even have been made.
See? Not so hard to believe, when the basic process is known.
Point taken, as far as tie-in media goes. But FILMED Trek is another story and we both know it.
These contradict each other... first you say they brought Nimoy in late in the game, then you say the decision was made to bring in Nimoy during the treatment process (I imagine they'd actually have to talk to him to gauge interest) and then you say Paramount greenlights the script then they would talk to Nimoy.
Really isn't. Paramount has data that backs up the claim that Star Trek that doesn't conform to continuity still sells. And that is among the more hardcore fanbase that you say needs the continuity to know that it is Star Trek.
These contradict each other... first you say they brought Nimoy in late in the game, then you say the decision was made to bring in Nimoy during the treatment process (I imagine they'd actually have to talk to him to gauge interest) and then you say Paramount greenlights the script then they would talk to Nimoy.
Oh come on, you know what I meant :P
When they are writing the story for Paramount, they are conecntrating on the STORY, not on casting (though it probably came out).
They were in no real position to go to Nimoy until the script has been greenlit, and the story set in stone.
They were probably so busy working on the script and other aspects of pre-production that they hadn't gotten the time to think about actually contacting Nimoy.
What data? From what source?
If Canon wasn't important, then why would Paramount insist it's writers maintain continuity with on-screen Trek?
Why the books?
I'll buy that Nimoy wasn't made an 'official' offer until the project had a budget. But I find it hard to believe that three Hollywood professionals would spend six months of their lives hammering out a script that a retired actor was the centerpiece without picking up a phone fairly early in the process and gauging interest.
Federation and Enterprise: The First Adventure both heavily contradict on-screen material and both were New York Times bestsellers. Paramount isn't dumb enough to shoot down a good story because it somehow doesn't fit.
So, are they lying on the DVD then? Why would they do that? For what reason?
They're Human, and like all of us, fallible. It's believable because of the number of balls they had to juggle.
Probably something on their to-do list early on, left had may have thought the right hand had contacted him, and then they realized "u-oh. We'd better call him" at a point too late in the game.
I've spent my working life dealing with professionals and encountering these kinds of obvious oversights. Not unique to any fast-paced office or creative environment.
These were likely created before TNG, when maintaining overall consistency was more important.
Federation and Enterprise: The First Adventure were probably largely consistent with Star Trek's event as established when the books were written.
Besides, it was LATER on-screen event that likely broke their ability to fit into continuity.
No matter who you paint it, Continuity has long been a sticking point for both Paramount and a significant portion of fandom.
The writers, as fans, certainly felt it was important.
I don't buy it... I don't buy the fact that Paramount wouldn't ask the question early on in the process. Especially considering Nimoy's then feelings towards acting in general and Star Trek in particular, because its' their money on the line.
Someone talked to Nimoy fairly early in the process I don't care what they say on the DVD.
Find me the evidence. I don't buy the writers lying for the sake of it.
Enterprise: The First Adventure was written twenty years after the premiere of Star Trek. Federation was released roughly a year prior to First Contact so Paramount knew they had two stories telling the same story in much a different manner.
Common sense should tell you that they may be 'misremembering' how events played out.
You've never worked in an environment where complex organization, creativity and tight deadlines keep you hectic and busy, where you have to juggle 16 things at once.
I can tell this by this very response.
They seem to me to be recalling a specific moment of realization.
They may not know precisely when they did it, but they certainly remember that "oh crap" moment, and JJ Abrams said separately that if Nimoy had said no, they would have been "screwed".
I don't quite buy that, but I'm not going to discount the possibility.
Bank Operations Manager for 12 years, I can't imagine a much more hectic environment... was responsible for 30 employees and a five hundred million dollar nightly deadline.
You don't forget the basics of your craft when things get hectic.
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Nimoy was called into a meeting with Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman BEFORE they wrote the script.
https://aintitcool.com/node/45445
Well, that's what the man himself says at least.
I stand corrected on when they called Nimoy. It was actually a little vague on the special features when they DID call him.
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