Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year ago?

[Gaith]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

Given how a certain section of this board (and, for that matter, Rob Bricken of ToplessRobot.com) has no compunction about calling the wildly uneven Tron: Legacy "excellent" yet gleefully dumps all over Avatar (which only beats the former by 35 points on Metacritic), I can't help but wonder...


Could Avatar be getting a fair share of its nerd hate for being a love story? Unlike such beloved geek films as Tron: Legacy, its female character isn't just a hot cipher but an actual woman, who feels and acts and f**** like one.

And, on a related note, could it be in part due to the movie's inclusiveness? Audiences around the world with no geek cred whatsoever loved and embraced the movie, but instead of being impressed at Big Jim's ability to speak to such a huge portion of the globe, many geeks sniffed that his script lacked subtlety. (Funny, I don't remember LotR as being all that thematically complex, but it did adapt an established property in such detail that many non-geeks got confused, or at least disoriented.)

Possessiveness regarding planet-hopping and space helicopters, anyone?


Just some thoughts.


I frankly wish they'd saved last summer's re-release of the movie for this past holiday season. Summer was too early to revisit it, but I'd have gladly gone around New Year's.

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

Avatar IS going to be remembered though, but only as a movie that started the 3D fad, nothing more.

Nah. When the fad itself has worn out its welcome, Avatar will be forgotten along with it. Just another in a long line of false starts.

I bet it gets remembered about as much as "Titanic" gets remembered. It was huge when it came out and was quite a feat of film-making, but now nobody really cares. It just gets played on TNT over and over again.

 

[Mach5]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

No, that would be Lord of the Rings, I believe.

Nope, not even close. Skiffy fans sure like it,

Are you saying LOTR isn't mainstream?

Did you, like, sleep through the early 2000's?

 

[Starkers]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

Tis a film I really need to watch again because I've only seen it the once, and it'd be interesting to see again in 2D on the small screen, the fact I haven't says something about how I felt about it.

I found the first third somewhat interesting, the middle third deathly dull, and the final third really rather exciting! In fact the battle was probably as close as I'll ever get to seeing a Rogue Trooper movie

Because the film is so long I found the 3D quite tiring, or rather the need to wear the glasses quite tiring, and I'm afraid I fall into that category of people who find 3D jarring rather than "imersive" frankly about the only film I've seen where I really thought 3D mattered was Tron:Legacy.

 

[Dar70]

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it's the only one of the fantasy movies (and by fantasy I include everything people like to call "science fiction") being cranked out in the last decade that's going to be remembered as mattering to the history of movies in a generation.

No, that would be Lord of the Rings, I believe. Avatar IS going to be remembered though, but only as a movie that started the 3D fad, nothing more.

I hate how Avatar gets the credit for restarting the 3d craze. The 3d was very sutle in it and there were better examples of new 3d technology on the screen 2 full years before avatar.

 

[Dar70]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

Avatar IS going to be remembered though, but only as a movie that started the 3D fad, nothing more.

Nah. When the fad itself has worn out its welcome, Avatar will be forgotten along with it. Just another in a long line of false starts.

I bet it gets remembered about as much as "Titanic" gets remembered. It was huge when it came out and was quite a feat of film-making, but now nobody really cares. It just gets played on TNT over and over again.

This is true of most films over time.

 

[Mach5]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

I hate how Avatar gets the credit for restarting the 3d craze. The 3d was very sutle in it and there were better examples of new 3d technology on the screen 2 full years before avatar.

There's a difference between releasing a 3D movie and starting a craze.

This is true of most films over time.

Most, yes. But not all.

BTW, I'm starting to think I posted a completely WRONG poll question.

It should have been: "Which movies do you look forward to more?" The Avatar sequels or The Hobbit movies?

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

Well, it's still a good, but not great, movie.

 

[Dar70]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

I hate how Avatar gets the credit for restarting the 3d craze. The 3d was very sutle in it and there were better examples of new 3d technology on the screen 2 full years before avatar.

There's a difference between releasing a 3D movie and starting a craze.

This is true of most films over time.

Most, yes. But not all.

BTW, I'm starting to think I posted a completely WRONG poll question.

It should have been: "Which movies do you look forward to more?" The Avatar sequels or The Hobbit movies?

Yeah I know. But I happen to think that Beowulf was far superior in the story and 3d.

 

[Artemis]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

Never did see the movie. Didn't seem interesting enough.

One of my favourite comments from a while back said:
http://www.quotesdaddy.com/quote/13...r-is-a-supermodel-fucking-hot-now-yes-but-ten

Avatar is a supermodel. Fucking hot now, yes. But ten years later when the looks are gone and her tits are round her knees, no-one's going to want to pay another visit.

What happened to the "women are like wine and get better with age" thingy?

 

[Shazam!]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

Still like it, but still think it was the 3rd best Sci-fi movie of 2009.

RAMA

Behind Moon and District 9?

 

[Mach5]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

Still like it, but still think it was the 3rd best Sci-fi movie of 2009.

RAMA

Behind Moon and District 9?

Yeah, nice catch, Shazam. So Avatar is actually the fourth best SF film of 2009.

 

[psikeyhackr]

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None of the vote selections quite fit.

I liked it then and I like it now but 33% of the reason for seeing that movie was the 3D and fantastic CGI. I watched it on a computer a few weeks ago and I like the story just as much but without the 3D the WOW just ain't there.

The Abyss *Special Edition* is a much better movie and I recognized that a year ago.

In 10 years when we have 3D in our computers it will be more tired than The Matrix.

psik

 

[Lapis Exilis]

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Could Avatar be getting a fair share of its nerd hate for being a love story? Unlike such beloved geek films as Tron: Legacy, its female character isn't just a hot cipher but an actual woman, who feels and acts and f**** like one.

And had Neytiri, the really compelling character of the story, been the main character it would have been an excellent movie, but since she was shunted off to love interest status so the utterly pedestrian (not to mention suspension-of-disbelief-killingly ignorant) Jake could be center stage - it sucked and always will.

 

[Gaith]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

I don't see it - what would her character arc be?

 

[Lapis Exilis]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

I don't see it - what would her character arc be?

Well, let's see, what was Jake's? Complete stranger to the entire idea not only of Avatars but to the biology of an interconnected, intelligent planet is for no apparent reason chosen by said sentient planet to be it's savior, miraculously, nay even, deus ex writerly being able to tame the famed winged creature few Navi have ever been able to tame inspiring Pandora's people to unification mere minutes after he betrayed them for his own personal profit.

Yeah, that's believeable.

And why would Pandora not chose one of her own, say, a brave warrior who challenged the strangers and had to learn both to lead her people and overcome her prejudices to embrace the few humans who were good, even falling in love with one of them, leading to divided loyalties when she discovers he's sold them out. But she overcomes the wrenching defeat and loss of Home Tree to unite her people and win the day against great odds.

It's easy enough to flip her to the main character position and make Jake the exotic love interest.

 

[Gaith]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

I don't agree, but eh, I stand by my original point, which is that the movie has a lot more romance and non-geek appeal than your Moons and District 9s, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if those factors played a role in the online dumping on it.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

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I think, in terms of remembering anything about the film...

people that have seen it, and then have seen RedLetterMedia's review of it, well, they will remember that more, even if they loved the film originally. Plinkett really nails it!

 

[FPAlpha]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

The story will not improve or get better over time.. it will still be a pretty mediocre story set in space.

However the visuals are still gorgeous and some of the most beautiful in blockbuster cinema equaling the reality of LotR Middle Earth/New Zealand.

So, despite its shortcomings i still like it and will probably like it from now on and i applaud the craftsmanship and ingenuity that made it possible.

 

[Mach5]

Re: Do those who liked Avatar still like it as much as you did a year

However the visuals are still gorgeous and some of the most beautiful in blockbuster cinema equaling the reality of LotR Middle Earth/New Zealand.

Any Kiwis around here? I wouldn't like this if I were them.

I liked the Hallelujah mountains very much, but I didn't find anything in Avatar to be even remotely as beautiful as the Shire, the mines of Moria, or Minas Tirith, nor did anything in Avatar even remotely blow me away, the way seeing the Argonath did.

And I'm not even a LOTR fan. At all.