TRON: Legacy - Review and Grading
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Just saw this again; and yes, Quorra (Olivia Wilde) is gorgeous...especially in those outfits.
Some things that were questionable:
*Flynn (Kevin) and Quorra don't have anything going on for 20 years? (I'm all for May-December romances).
*Since majority of the population in the grid are programs, and there are many who oppose CLU...it comes off as if CLU and Rinzler/Tron are constantly going into battle. 247 or whatever passes for an entire day in the grid.
In the first film, it was a bit obvious that Sark took part occasionally in the games....actually allowing him to overlook other duties, given accordingly by the MCP.
*Sam Flynn doesn't seem to be too surprised of the grid when he goes in. It's like: "This is not happening"...and suddenly he is off to the games, and surviving left and right. (From a writing pov, as well as a dramatic pov...it would have been cool to at least get a 'sense of wonder'...since Sam has only heard of the grid...and is just, at that moment, seeing what his father was working on years ago).
*CLU feeling like the abandoned son, wasn't played much until the end; and I didn't really catch it until my second viewing. Yeah, there was the Frankenstein aspect, but the abandoned sons (Sam and CLU) could have been a compare/contrast kind of deal.
*What exactly would CLU do in the 'real world'? With the MCP, it was a typical computer who wanted to take over the world....and Tron/Yori/Flynn/Dumont needed to stop it...or him.
What powers would CLU have in the real world?
On the other hand: Other than hotness, how is a computer 'iso' (Quorra) able to live in the real world?
*What happened to Yori?
As a writer, I find that too many questions (from readers) means that the story needs work. Granted, a sequel could answer many of those questions...but I personally think it's best to get a strong story done the first time around.
With that said, I still found it enjoyable...
Some things that were questionable:
*Flynn (Kevin) and Quorra don't have anything going on for 20 years? (I'm all for May-December romances).
*Since majority of the population in the grid are programs, and there are many who oppose CLU...it comes off as if CLU and Rinzler/Tron are constantly going into battle. 247 or whatever passes for an entire day in the grid.
In the first film, it was a bit obvious that Sark took part occasionally in the games....actually allowing him to overlook other duties, given accordingly by the MCP.
*Sam Flynn doesn't seem to be too surprised of the grid when he goes in. It's like: "This is not happening"...and suddenly he is off to the games, and surviving left and right. (From a writing pov, as well as a dramatic pov...it would have been cool to at least get a 'sense of wonder'...since Sam has only heard of the grid...and is just, at that moment, seeing what his father was working on years ago).
*CLU feeling like the abandoned son, wasn't played much until the end; and I didn't really catch it until my second viewing. Yeah, there was the Frankenstein aspect, but the abandoned sons (Sam and CLU) could have been a compare/contrast kind of deal.
*What exactly would CLU do in the 'real world'? With the MCP, it was a typical computer who wanted to take over the world....and Tron/Yori/Flynn/Dumont needed to stop it...or him.
What powers would CLU have in the real world?
On the other hand: Other than hotness, how is a computer 'iso' (Quorra) able to live in the real world?
*What happened to Yori?
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As a writer, I find that too many questions (from readers) means that the story needs work. Granted, a sequel could answer many of those questions...but I personally think it's best to get a strong story done the first time around.
With that said, I still found it enjoyable...
I thought time passes something like 50 times faster in the Grid vs. the real world. So assuming that's true, Flynn was in there for a thousand years!
She could still be in the ENCOM mainframe. The Grid, OTOH, appeared to be a self-contained environment that's isolated from the rest of the computer 'world'.
The Grid in this movie wasn't the same thing as the one from the first film. This was a self-contained server (Flynn intentionally made it self-contained), whereas the Grid in the first film was a proto-internet the MCP created using the ENCOM servers.
I'm guessing that in the sequel we'll have Dillinger Jr (as a human and a program played by Murphy) possibly re-creating his father's MCP Program as an offering to ENCOM.
I'm guessing that in the sequel we'll have Dillinger Jr (as a human and a program played by Murphy) possibly re-creating his father's MCP Program as an offering to ENCOM.
finally saw this yesterday and i liked it.
but then, i'm easily pleased, it was 2 hours of fun and that's all i ask of movies.
but then, i'm easily pleased, it was 2 hours of fun and that's all i ask of movies.
I hope they can somehow coax David Warner back for Tron 3. Even if it's only a cameo.
Hmmm...
Again, plot hole.
Flynn should have already had an army of 'Flynn' (plural; children of Quorra and Kevin Flynn) to take down CLU...
Of course, Flynn wouldn't risk his kids...and I'm digressing here;but with someone who looks, and is dressed like Quorra walking around day in and day out in Flynn's quarters, especially if time for him was that long in the grid, I can't believe nothing happened.
Helping him with his 'zen thing' (and more), you know...?
Ahhh, digressing...digressing...
Too, that brings up the question of Lora, whom, I think, in one of the games is said to be married to Alan Bradley; and I think said game (Tron 2.0, I think) is said to be somewhat of a bridge between the films. Furthermore, the fact that she played a big part in the first film, question(s) arise like: Is she still working for ENCOM? Retired? What?
I'm sure David Warner would do it if there was a part written for him. However, films that are #3 in a trilogy tend to go back to the initial film...i.e. Return of the Jedi...so I'm hoping they try not to make the third too convoluted, or predictable. Not that I found Tron: Legacy predictable.
Lacking in some respects, yes. Predictability, no.
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I can't think of anything in TRON 2.0 that was contradicted in the movie. There was a power struggle within ENCOM at some point (after Flynn had left) but that could be explained away I'm sure.
In TRON 2.0, Flynn had disappeared at some point in the late 80's/early 90's and Lora had been killed in an industrial accident. The original Dillinger is a shadowy figure in the game (or what was supposed to be him, anyway) and the protagonist is the child of Alan and Lora...Jet Bradley.
Flynn said that Clu fed off of his "aggression." The more he fought, the more Clu fought, that's what I took it to mean. So, if he created an army...
It's why he took him self "off the grid." He didn't want to play the game, and an army would be playing the game.
So, not a plot hole.
Of course, Flynn wouldn't risk his kids...and I'm digressing here;but with someone who looks, and is dressed like Quorra walking around day in and day out in Flynn's quarters, especially if time for him was that long in the grid, I can't believe nothing happened.
Helping him with his 'zen thing' (and more), you know...?
Ahhh, digressing...digressing...
Too, that brings up the question of Lora, whom, I think, in one of the games is said to be married to Alan Bradley; and I think said game (Tron 2.0, I think) is said to be somewhat of a bridge between the films. Furthermore, the fact that she played a big part in the first film, question(s) arise like: Is she still working for ENCOM? Retired? What?
the game was more than a few years ago, Tron 2.0 might have been a bridge to a different planned movie than this one. So, I don't know if Tron 2.0 is still "canonical"
The actress and Bruce Boxlietner did do some press as their characters.
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I'm surprised his father wasn't in jail all of this time, unable to marry and have a son! Guess that he was, and so here we are with Dillnger Jr.
A lot of people seem surprised that Ed Jr. got a job at Encom, but come on: it is a ruthless corporation, and the opening of Legacy goes out of its way to present Encom as Evil and Out For the Money. They even jack up the price of their OS for schools! How vile.
If Ed Jr. is a hotjack programmer and has the goods, he'd get a job there. If they can profit off his ability, that's all that'd matter to such a corporation.
Remember, we haven't seen his full backstory; it's possible that he originally got shafted with a job in the mailroom or something, and forcibly moved up the ranks due to sheer, overwhelming ability. It's clear he has the chops his father didn't; maybe he has something to prove.
If Ed Jr. is a hotjack programmer and has the goods, he'd get a job there. If they can profit off his ability, that's all that'd matter to such a corporation.
Remember, we haven't seen his full backstory; it's possible that he originally got shafted with a job in the mailroom or something, and forcibly moved up the ranks due to sheer, overwhelming ability. It's clear he has the chops his father didn't; maybe he has something to prove.
^ Ah, but *did* Dillinger Sr. deserve full (or indeed any) credit for creating the MCP? We really don't know who originally created that program.
He created the original chess program, and gave it the ability to learn and run system duties on itself. How it was able to absorb other programs and develop sentience I'm not sure. But then again in the Tron world even firewall programs like Tron himself and Insurance Banking programs become sentient.
OK, THAt was unexpected and VERY funny.As for Dillinger Sr, his white-collar crime probably netted him 5-7 and he surely would have held onto his ENCOM shares which, thanks to Flynn, would have made him a legitimately wealthy man by 1990. He may have maintained a large enough shareholding to get his kid a job. Once inside, Jr. distinguished himself.
Wouldn't mind seeing Sr. in the sequel, though.
^ Wouldn't the Son Of Sam law prevent Dillinger Sr. From keeping his ENCOM shares? One cannot profit from one's crimes.