Why "Star Trek" is not right...

[F. King Daniel]

And just what are these?

Common sense. When has a starship ever been captured in a manner that didn't involve a tractor beam? It makes sense that it may take time to refit Spock Prime's ship with red matter as seen in the movie. I'm not assuming anything, just hypothesizing.

You, however, simply decided that Starfleet ships must be faster than Vulcan ships - despite the Vulcans having warp eight ships back when humans maxed out at warp five, and the last movie calling the Jellyfish "our fastest ship". Your subsequent defence that "we didn't see many Vulcan ships after Enterprise" means exactly nothing in a universe that retroactively invented Remans (and shoehorned them into the Dominion War and the 22nd century), bumpy-headed Klingons (they were there all along and just off-camera during TOS, honest!) and a famous, world-saving starship Enterprise prior to Kirk's, which no-one ever talked about in the centuries since.

 

[ST-One]

Aaaahhh, but you are missing the MORE important dramatic plot of Spock had his own agenda. As I recall the Enterprise still hadn't balanced it's engines properly at that time and was still traveling at impulse power. A Vulcan WARP sled had no trouble in catching up with it so where was the delay?...

And isn't it interesting that Spock and not Scotty was the one who repaired the engine-imbalance?

That's funny, the scene show SPock AND scotty in the engine room while Kirk's log mentions Spock's assistance. Spock Help fix the engine imbalance. He didn't show up and do it all by himself.

Yup, nobody else in that shot except Spock.

Wasn't it something like "Thanks to the timely arrival of Mr. Spock we managed..."

 

[Captain Mike]

And just what are these?

Common sense. When has a starship ever been captured in a manner that didn't involve a tractor beam? It makes sense that it may take time to refit Spock Prime's ship with red matter as seen in the movie. I'm not assuming anything, just hypothesizing.

You, however, simply decided that Starfleet ships must be faster than Vulcan ships - despite the Vulcans having warp eight ships back when humans maxed out at warp five, and the last movie calling the Jellyfish "our fastest ship". Your subsequent defence that "we didn't see many Vulcan ships after Enterprise" means exactly nothing in a universe that retroactively invented Remans (and shoehorned them into the Dominion War and the 22nd century), bumpy-headed Klingons (they were there all along and just off-camera during TOS, honest!) and a famous, world-saving starship Enterprise prior to Kirk's, which no-one ever talked about in the centuries since.

I never, ever said anything about what is the fastest ship. All I am stating is...:

I like how the XI lovers always claim that the new movie does away with things like "the only ship in range" yet totally accept that Spock is the only one who can not only talk to the Romulan Senate but also deliver the red matter. HE'S the only one in range, forget about the ship. They totally ignore the plot holes, claim they don't even exist.

No matter what you try to proclaim as anti-2009 posters saying as "speculation", is exactly what you do to support the freakin' plot holes of the movie. I have seen you speculating for months now.

 

[Captain Mike]

And isn't it interesting that Spock and not Scotty was the one who repaired the engine-imbalance?

That's funny, the scene show SPock AND scotty in the engine room while Kirk's log mentions Spock's assistance. Spock Help fix the engine imbalance. He didn't show up and do it all by himself.

Yup, nobody else in that shot except Spock.

Wasn't it something like "Thanks to the timely arrival of Mr. Spock we managed..."

You must mean "With the timely arrival and ASSISTANCE of Mr. Spock, We now have the engines balanced into full WARP capacity...."
try watching the movie again...Fortunately I know it by heart...

 

[kkozoriz1]

And isn't it interesting that Spock and not Scotty was the one who repaired the engine-imbalance?

That's funny, the scene show SPock AND scotty in the engine room while Kirk's log mentions Spock's assistance. Spock Help fix the engine imbalance. He didn't show up and do it all by himself.

Yup, nobody else in that shot except Spock.

Wasn't it something like "Thanks to the timely arrival of Mr. Spock we managed..."

Captain's Log. Stardate 7413.4
Thanks to Mr. Spock's timely arrival - and assistance......we have the engines rebalanced into full warp capacity. Repair time less than three hours...

 

[Captain Mike]

^ thanks I didn't bother to check "re"...I owe you a beer...

 

[kkozoriz1]

30 second google for "script star trek the motion picture" and searching for "assistance". Piece 'o cake!

 

[Captain Mike]

30 second google for "script star trek the motion picture" and searching for "assistance". Piece 'o cake!

I saw that I didn't have the "re" in rebalanced till after I saw your thread (damn fast fingers)...
Damn now I wanna watch it...

 

[ST-One]

The implication is clear: Spock was what was missing.

 

[Captain Mike]

The implication is clear: Spock was what was missing.

Must not believe in teamwork?...

 

[kkozoriz1]

The implication is clear: Spock was what was missing.

The implication is that Spock is a smart guy and was able to assist. Do you believe that Scotty would be unable to balance the engines without Spock? That's not giving Scott enough credit.

 

[number6]

You all seem to be forgetting that Spock is one of Starfleet's greatest scientific minds. Perhaps the whole Red Matter thing was entirely his theory and was the only person brave enough and with enough scientific knowledge to take on that mission.

I don't think it's much of a stretch, or much of a plothole, for that matter, but the "haters" have nothing better to do, apparently.

 

[Captain Mike]

You all seem to be forgetting that Spock is one of Starfleet's greatest scientific minds. Perhaps the whole Red Matter thing was entirely his theory and was the only person brave enough and with enough scientific knowledge to take on that mission.

I don't think it's much of a stretch, or much of a plothole, for that matter, but the "haters" have nothing better to do, apparently.

Again....
your speculation??

 

[number6]

What do you care? Your only purpose lately seems to be to annoy other posters. Obviously you hate the film. I am offering an explanation, and a plausible one at that, as to why Spock is the guy piloting the ship. Spock is a formidable scientist. You are a troll.

 

[M'Sharak]

You all seem to be forgetting that Spock is one of Starfleet's greatest scientific minds. Perhaps the whole Red Matter thing was entirely his theory and was the only person brave enough and with enough scientific knowledge to take on that mission.

I don't think it's much of a stretch, or much of a plothole, for that matter, but the "haters" have nothing better to do, apparently.

6, you know I don't like to see that term used. Please avoid doing so in the future.

And this?

What do you care? Your only purpose lately seems to be to annoy other posters. Obviously you hate the film. I am offering an explanation, and a plausible one at that, as to why Spock is the guy piloting the ship. Spock is a formidable scientist. You are a troll.

Think of someone whatever you will, but there are things to be expressed and things to be kept to yourself. If I see you calling anyone this again in any thread in this forum, there'll be a warning in it for you.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The implication is clear: Spock was what was missing.

The implication is that Spock is a smart guy and was able to assist. Do you believe that Scotty would be unable to balance the engines without Spock? That's not giving Scott enough credit.

I have no doubt that Scotty could... just not in three hours.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Again....
Your speculation??

What is your obsession with speculation? Why the need to have everything explained to you in explicit detail? By your logic, Deep Space Nine is a failiure because we never learned the exact series of events leading to the Cardassians withdrawing from Bajor. TMP is a faliure because we never learned why Kirk is suddenly an admiral when he loved command so much. Wrath of Khan is a faliure because we never found exactly how Khan took over the Reliant. If "The Cardassians withdrew from Bajor", "Kirk was promoted to Admiral" and "Khan took over the Reliant" are enough for you, then "Spock flew the mission to save Romulus" should be too. It is for most of us.

 

[BillJ]

If "The Cardassians withdrew from Bajor", "Kirk was promoted to Admiral" and "Khan took over the Reliant" are enough for you, then "Spock flew the mission to save Romulus" should be too. It is for everyone else.

Not everyone.

 

[kkozoriz1]

The implication is clear: Spock was what was missing.

The implication is that Spock is a smart guy and was able to assist. Do you believe that Scotty would be unable to balance the engines without Spock? That's not giving Scott enough credit.

I have no doubt that Scotty could... just not in three hours.

Yes, that's clear to everyone except ST-One. He seems to be under the impression that Spock, like in XI, did it all by himself in that time. Unlike the new movie, the TOS movies showed teamwork.

 

[number6]

If "The Cardassians withdrew from Bajor", "Kirk was promoted to Admiral" and "Khan took over the Reliant" are enough for you, then "Spock flew the mission to save Romulus" should be too. It is for everyone else.

Not everyone.

Agreed. Some people need to be spoonfed every detail and can't figure it out for themselves.