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Avengers: EMH 1.1/1.2 "Breakout" pts 1&2

Re: New Marvel Animated Show: 'Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes'

Long live Kang!
 
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the beginning with prison 42 didn't bother me really. its a nice reference and i'm sure they will touch on the ramifications of it in a future episode. i guess at this point they're not aware that the Negative Zone is inhabited. i'm looking forward to the Ultron episode though.
 
The ethical problem with the Negative Zone prison in Civil War wasn't that the NZ is inhabited. It's that American citizens were being imprisoned without due process of law, that their rights were being violated. Although I guess the difference here is that the inmates aren't simply metahumans who've refused to register with the government, but already-convicted felons who'd previously escaped from lawful imprisonment and simply need to be incarcerated someplace more secure. So it's not really the same kind of ethical dilemma here, I suppose. I guess as far as it goes in-universe, it's okay. But it feels like dumbing down to take something that was such an emphatic ethical allegory in its original form and strip it entirely of that meaning.
 
i'm not sure if it was a good idea to include the hulk as a consistent good guy. he's practically unstoppable. it makes more sense to have a strong guy like 'thing' or someone else who can be stopped.

that's why i never got the whole hulk thing. he just keeps getting stronger and stronger as the fight goes on so nobody can stop him. i can only think of apocalypse being able to stop him in the marvel universe. didn't the hulk once eat galactus or something?

as soon the hulk shows up it's always game over.
 
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Thing looking similar - but less bulky - to the 2004 cartoon's version.

I'm sure a FF cartoon will be made to drum up interest when the reboot hits theaters
 
Loved the boxing match in the beginning,maybe a little shoutout to Civil War?:techman:

You know maybe it's just me but they do seem to be hinting at that Cap opposes the way Tony runs the team but is too much of a Soldier to challenge him unlike Hawkeye or Pym who make their views rather clear on Stark's leadership....maybe that's what happens during the war of the Kree and Skrulls maybe it's a power struggle between the two that leads to the planet unable to fend off the 2 Alien armies,a struggle that wouldn't of happen if Cap wasn't there.
 
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Well, Kang's invasion begins in earnest, and naturally it's the usual type of sci-fi planetary invasion that's just a lot of hovering saucers and ground troops, instead of something really effective like planetwide EMPs to paralyze our tech, or bioweapons to incapacitate the population, or whatever. But of course the super-advanced enemies always have to be very limited in their technology so the heroes can smash them. I could kind of live with that given the demands of an action cartoon, and I suppose it could be rationalized in terms of Kang wanting to leave infrastructure and population basically intact so he could rally them against the Kree and Skrull. Maybe he doesn't mind dealing destructively with Earth's existing military tech because he considers it so inferior to his own and he brought plenty. And maybe a blatant show of force like this has more of a psychological impact on the population than a subtler albeit more physically effective form of conquest. It traumatizes them more and thus breaks their wills.

But where it falls apart is how easy it was for the Avengers to penetrate those command ships at the end. I could buy Janet and Hank slipping in once, but surely after the first ship was taken by surprise, the others would ramp up their defenses. Instead, the command ships were pushovers, easily penetrated and their temporal anchors easily destroyed.

"I'm teaching Ultron the concept of violence." Oh, I'm sure there's no way that could possibly backfire.... :D
 
Christopher said:
"I'm teaching Ultron the concept of violence." Oh, I'm sure there's no way that could possibly backfire.... :D
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Yea,even though they didn't show it I believe the pilot of that one timeship the Ultrons entered didn't walk away with just a scratch.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing more of the Marvel Universe show up, like Spider-Man, the X-Men, an actual appearance by the FF. I do like how SHS was able to have everyone from X-Men, to Avengers, to the FF, to other random characters show up.

I just want to see that kinda thing with better writing and a more traditional art style.

Although I am getting a little tired of Tony being the "leader" character. Sure he's capable of doing it but Captain America should be the one actually leading the team. Tony was always more independant and even in the comics, he may have started out as its financier, but he kept his Iron Man identity seperate from Stark. I suppose this sort of takes its cues from the newer Iron Man movies with the whole public identity thing, but at times it works better when few knew that Stark was under the armor. Hell Rhodey was the actual Iron Man for quite a while. A good part of the 80s had Rhodes in the suit, not Stark. And that wasn't even as War Machine.

Although the Rogers/Stark training scene is pretty similar to what Tony and Steve did waaaay back at the end of the Demon in a Bottle storyline, when Stark asks him for hand to hand combat training. But he wasn't snarky and "oh c'mon why do I need to learn to fight when I've got armor!" Which isn't even the same way the Stark in the movies is protrayed, hell they have him boxing with Happy in IM2. Even has a ring set up in his place.

Other than little things, I'm really happy we've finally got this show on the air. It's kind of what I always wanted to see. A far reaching Marvel show that could do whatever it really wanted to, bring in characters from all over the place. It's kind of taking what the old 90s Iron Man and FF cartoons started to do in the their 2nd seasons farther. Where there were more cameos by other Marvel characters. I never liked it when some other Marvel cartoons or shows treated their characters as the only heroes or group of heroes around.

Plus I do like that the showrunners are doing their best to keep some of the characters as true to their comic book counterparts as possible, which is hard to do. Sure some events and even a few personalities are a bit different, but at the same time, they're kind of going by different 'eras' of the characters. Iron Man is clearly a more modern day IM, while Cap is by far a more a early version, Hulk being a sort of almost late 80s, early 90s version where he wasn't just the super dumb "HULK SMASH" Hulk, but had some brains in his head. Although I'm waiting for Banner to take more control and basically be Hulk in body only and Banner in brain - like he was during a goodly part of the 90s Peter David run. Wasp... well she's always been a flirt. And actually she and Hawkeye have knocked boots before the whole Avengers:Disassembled thing.
 
Nick Ryder said:
Hulk being a sort of almost late 80s, early 90s version where he wasn't just the super dumb "HULK SMASH" Hulk, but had some brains in his head.
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Which is also how the Hulk was portrayed in his very earliest issues. Peter David was basically restoring the Hulk to the character's original concept (including making him gray), although of course he expanded on it considerably.
 
Kang Part Two was nice and epic; this is the scale I like to see from the Avengers! Of course on the other hand, looking back on it, it was basically 20 minutes of mindless action ;) I thought it was cool how Ultron(s) was incorporated into the story.

Was this the first time we saw Black Knight in the series?
 
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