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Destroyed Starships

In the case of the Kursk, the damage was too extensive..
The damage to most of the ships at Pearl Harbor was too extensive, too - but the pride of the USN was at stake, so the ships were rebuilt nevertheless, even though this made no military or economical sense. Hell, two destroyers reduced to toothpicks were completely rebuilt from all-new parts, and a few surviving fragments from the wrecks were then bolted onto the new destroyers to allow the USN to pretend the ships were "never lost".

Starfleet might have been motivated to rebuild old ships that way, too, perhaps even resurrecting USS Constellation out of a surviving self-sealing stem bolt...

A crew of 400 implies it was a Constitution class ship, but it wasn't canon until the remastered version showed the Constitution class USS Intrepid in orbit of Starbase 11 during another episode (before it was destroyed).
Indeed. Prior to TOS-R, we had evidence of other starship classes sized the same as the Constitution but shaped differently (ST2).

The 25th Anniversary game has the Constitution class USS Republic being destroyed in the last mission, and despite an error in the ship's registry, it's clearly meant to be the ship Kirk served on as a junior officer.

...And one of the old comics had Kirk's old Republic be a Baton Rouge class starship instead.

Most of the unseen starships may not have been Constitution-class.
The only TOS-based argument against that, save for fan resistance, is that Spock in e.g. "Doomsday Machine" can quickly identify the guest ship of the week as "a starship, by configuration". If there were different shapes of Starfleet starships in service in the 2260s, could Spock be so sure?

OTOH, it doesn't make much sense that there would only be a single ship type in service at any given time.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The thing to remember is that in TOS "Star Ship" referred almost exclusively to what we now know as the Constitution-Class. There are some exceptions, but by and large that is the case. It isn't until the movie era and, especially, TNG that "star ship" = any starfleet ship (or any FTL ship for that matter). TOS Star Fleet had other space ship designs, but only 1 Star Ship.
 
I always sorta assumed the Excalibur was most likely repaired and put back in service.

Granted, that's because on-screen they show the ship pretty much intact.
 
thanks all for the interest!! I don't wanna dig through files, but didn't something happen to the Farragut? Or am I confusing that with the Exeter?
 
thanks all for the interest!! I don't wanna dig through files, but didn't something happen to the Farragut? Or am I confusing that with the Exeter?

The Farragut is the ship Kirk served on as a Lieutenant when they were attacked by the cloud creature shown in Obsession. The Exeter crew was killed by a virus in The Omega Glory.
 
thanks all for the interest!! I don't wanna dig through files, but didn't something happen to the Farragut? Or am I confusing that with the Exeter?
and what about the intact Defiant as shown in Ent? And what if Kirk ended up going with the Defiant? Archer (and the Tholians) wouldn't stand a chance!! :devil:
 
Constitution: ???
Constellation: destroyed, blowed up
Enterprise: destroyed, also blowed up
Excalibur: crew killed, ship wrecked
Lexington: ???
Hood: ???
Potemkin: ???
Defiant: disappeared
Exeter: crew dead, ship intact

also probably Constitution class--

Intrepid: destroyed
Farragut: ???
Yorktown: ???

there's yer "twelve ".

"blown up"
a firecracker is "blowed up"
Good Job , My Friend
 
Constitution: ???
Constellation: destroyed, blowed up
Enterprise: destroyed, also blowed up
Excalibur: crew killed, ship wrecked
Lexington: ???
Hood: ???
Potemkin: ???
Defiant: disappeared
Exeter: crew dead, ship intact

also probably Constitution class--

Intrepid: destroyed
Farragut: ???
Yorktown: ???

there's yer "twelve ".

"blown up"
a firecracker is "blowed up"
Good Job , My Friend


yes i know.
i was speaking in the sense of "she done blowed up, blowed up real good!"
 
The only TOS-based argument against that, save for fan resistance, is that Spock in e.g. "Doomsday Machine" can quickly identify the guest ship of the week as "a starship, by configuration". If there were different shapes of Starfleet starships in service in the 2260s, could Spock be so sure?
Yes. He was looking at the sensors, and this is Spock we are talking about. Starfleet could have had 1750 ships of 17 different classes, and he probably would have not only known the general configuration of each class, but the latest data on slight variations in the individual ships. :vulcan:
 
I always sorta assumed the Excalibur was most likely repaired and put back in service.

Granted, that's because on-screen they show the ship pretty much intact.

If you watch the original Ultimate Computer -- the Excalibur looks wrecked. The nacelles are askew and it looks fragged.

The new remastered ep shows the ship with nary a mark on her.
 
That is why in a few episodes (Bread and Circuses comes to mind) that it was a "big deal" to be a "Starship Captain".

It's actually an amusing artifact from the original premise of the show. Most ships, you see, could go through SPACE and hit those asteroids all over (all strangely class M and 1G with lots of breathable atmosphere), but the Yorktown-Independence-Enterprise could travel the stars. Hence, "Starship".
 
That is why in a few episodes (Bread and Circuses comes to mind) that it was a "big deal" to be a "Starship Captain".
First of all, it's a lot of power to be entrusted with. But more importantly, in a Federation of (conservatively) 100,000,000,000 citzens, being even just 1 in only, say, 1,712 starship captains would still be a pretty big deal.
 
I hate to point this out but of the twelve Constitution-class starships, you guys forgot one. U.S.S. Kongo, NCC-1710.
It wasn't mentioned on the show but it's mentioned in anything else I've seen about the Constitution-class. :vulcan:
 
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